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17:1-2 These things Jesus talked and having lifted against/up His eyes into the heaven He spoke: “Father, the hour has come (and comes). Glorify Your Son, in order that the Son may glorify You, entirely as You have given Him (judicial) authority of every/all flesh, in order that every (nation?) which You have given (and give) Him, I may to it (א*) give agelong life.”

Word for word: 17:1 (25 words in the Greek text) These-(things) talked Jesus and having-lifted-against the eyes his into the heaven (he)-spoke: father, has-come-(and-comes) the hour. glorify your the son, in-order that the son may-glorify you, 17:2 (15 words in the Greek text) entirely-as (you)-gave him (judicial)-authority (of)-every (of)-flesh, in-order-that every which (you)-have-given-(and-give) him (i/I)-may-give (to)-it life agelong.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(Eliphaz said: “The man whom God convicts) may come in the grave just as bread-stuff being harvested in a seasonable hour ‘according to’/during a seasonable time. (Job 5:26, Greek OT)

(The psalmist said to the Lord:) "Towards You I have lifted my eyes, (to You) dwelling in the heaven!" (Ps 123:1, Greek OT)

(The Lord) spoke to me: "You are My slave, Israel, and in you I will be glorified." (Is 49:3, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to His people:) "You shall call Me ‘Father’ and shall not turn away from Me." (Jer 3:19b, Greek OT)

To (one as a son of man) was given the beginning and the honour and the kingdom, and all the peoples, tribes, tongues will be slaves to Him. His (judicial) authority (is) an agelong (judicial) authority, and His kingdom will not be ruined throughout. (Dan 7:14, Greek OT, Theod)

(Wisdom said:) “I gave (Adam – the father of the adorned world) stability to get power (over) all ‘of it’/things.” (Wisdom of Solomon 10:2)

(The two elders) ‘leant out’/’turned away’ their eyes (to) the thing to not see into the heaven but/and not recollect righteous judicial verdicts. (Susanna v 9b)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “Pray you so in this way: ‘Our Father, the One in the heavens. Let your name be made holy.’” (Matt 6:9)

Having come to/forward Jesus talked (with the eleven disciples) saying: "Every/all (judicial) authority in heaven and upon earth has been given to Me. Having gone * (א,* א, A) be/make disciples (of) all the nations." (Matt 28:18-19a; BG Ask-comment: Walter Bauer says in his Greek-English lexicon - p 485 - that the Greek word for "be or become a disciple" - as a transitive verb has the meaning of "make a disciple". Perhaps no translator has another meaning. But I am not sure that this is the johannine view. To be disciples in a company of all nations can cause the crowd of disciples to increase. Cf. John 17:21-23.)

Having taken the five breads/loaves and the two fishes/fish (and) having seen/looked up into the heaven Jesus blessed. (Mark 6:41a)

(Jesus said to Peter and James and John:) "The hour has come. Behold, the Son of the Man is given ‘to the side of’/over into the hands of the missers (of the mark of God)." (Mark 14:41b)

(Simeon said: "My eyes have beheld) a light into a revelation of nations and a glory of Your people Israel." (Luke 2:32)

(Jesus said:) "All things have been given ‘to the side of’/’over to’ Me by My Father." (Luke 10:22a)

The tax collector, standing ‘from afar’/far, did not (continually) want nor/even to lift against/up the eyes into/to the heaven. (Luke 18:13a)

Having gazed into the heaven (Stephen) beheld a glory of God, and Jesus standing out of the right (parts) of God. (Acts 7:55b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

The Father welcomes the Son and has given (and gives) all things in His hand. (John 3:35)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) "Every (nation?) which the Father gives Me will arrive towards Me, and the one coming towards Me I may not/certainly not throw out * (א*) … I may not perish out/’in consequence’ of it, however/but (that) I may cause it to stand up in/on the last day." (John 6:37,39b)

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "I give (My sheep) agelong life." (John 10:28a)

Jesus lifted up the eyes and spoke: “Father, I am thankful to You, that You have heard Me.” (John 11:41b)

Jesus answers (Andrew and Philip), saying: "The hour has come (and comes), in order that the Son of the Man may be glorified." (John 12:23)

... (Jesus knew) that the Father had given Him all things into the hands. (John 13:3a)

When (Judas) so had come out, Jesus says: “Now has the Son of the Man been glorified, and God has been glorified in Him. * (P66,א*,B) And God will glorify Him in Himself, and straight off He will glorify Him.” (John 13:31-32)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

(C.J. Wright ) sees a connection with the Lord's Prayer. He speaks of this prayer (in John 17:1-26) as "a kind of expanded paraphrase" of that prayer. (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 635)

We can compare (Jesus' prayer to the Father) as literary genre with Jacob's blessing in Gen 49, Moses' prayer and blessing in Deut 32-33 or similar scenes in the Jewish testament literature. (René Kieffer "Johannesevangeliet" p 401; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

Not less than seven times (Christ) says (about his disciples) to his father only in his high priest prayer (John 17:2-24): You have given me them. (Karl Palmberg "Ur livskällan. Andra årgången." p 111; comment to Matt 14:22-36; Karl Palmberg /1842-1920/ was from 1883 a Lutheran clergyman in Månsarp in the diocese of Växjö and president in Jönköpings Missionsförening (Missionary Society) 1886-1911; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

The Rabbis ascribe the origin of the morning prayers to Abraham, that of the afternoon prayers to Isaac, and of the evening prayers to Jacob. (Alfred Edersheim “The Temple” p 154)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Gordon Bridger, E.J. Ekman, LarsOlov Eriksson, Linné Eriksson, Hilding Fagerberg, Johannes Gossner, Fredrik Hammarsten, Lars Levi Laestadius, Ingemar Liman, Howard Marshall, Anfin Skaaheim.


My own comments and speculations:

The words ”tauta elalêsen” (had talked these things/talked these things) are the same words which in Gen 49:28 (Greek OT) are used about Israel after he had blessed his sons.

Concerning “(each) nation”, compare My own comments and speculations to John 6:37-40.


Paul said to the believers in Ephesos: "(God, the Father) arranged all things under, underneath the feet (of Jesus Christ) and He gave Him to the (assembly) of called out (as) a head over all things." (Eph 1:22)

Peter said: "God may be glorified in all things through Jesus Christ, to whom the glory is and the power into the (coming) ages of the (coming) ages. Amen.” (1 Pet 4:11b)

This is the promise which He Himself promised/made to us, the agelong life. (1 John 2:25)


Additional studies:

Gen 49:28; Ps 121:1; Matt 11:27; 14:19; Mark 7:34; Luke 11:2; John 1:12-13; 2:4; 5:24,27; 6:27; 7:39; 12:27; 14:13,25; 17:6,9,11,24-25; Rom 3:23; 1 John 2:2; 4:14; Rev 6:8; 13:2; 17:12; 18:10,17,19.


Savas Agourides "'High Priestly Prayer' of Jesus"; Texte und Untersuchungen 102 (1968): 137-145.

John L. Boyle "The Last Discourse (Jn 13,31-16,33) and Prayer (Jn 17): Some Observations on Their Unity and Development"; Biblica 56 (1975): 210-222.

Aida Besançon Spencer "Father-Ruler: The Meaning of the Metaphor 'Father' for God in the Bible"; Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 39.3 (Sept. 1996): 433-442.

D. Francois Tolmie "A discourse analysis of John 17:1-26"; Neotestamentica 27.2 (1993): 403-418.

E.R. Wendland "Rhetoric of the word. An interactional discourse analysis of the Lord's prayer of John 17 and its communicative implications."; Neotestamentica 26.1 (1992): 59-88.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-14; 2012-02-09; 2014-10-07; 2014-12-17)

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17:3 But/and this is the agelong life, ‘in order that’/that they may have knowledge of You, the alone/only true God, and of Jesus Christ whom You have dispatched away.

Word for word (18 words in the Greek text): this but is the agelong life in-order-that (they)-may-have-knowledge of you the alone/only god and whom (you)-dispatched-away Jesus Christ.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(“You shall not eat) from fruit of the wood (of the thing to know/'have knowledge' of fine and evil), which is in a middle of the ‘place by the side of apprehension’/paradise,” God spoke (to the male and the woman). “Do not eat from it, ‘nor not’/nor touch it, in order that you may not die.” And the serpent spoke to the woman: “You will not die (in) death!” ... And having taken its fruit (the woman) ate. And she gave and/also to her male (being) in company with her, and he ate. (Gen 3:3b-4,6b, Greek OT)

The Lord came by the side of before the face (of Moses) and called: "The Lord God, compassionate and merciful, long-suffering and much merciful and true." (Ex 34:6, Greek OT)

(Solomon said to the Lord:) "And the alien one, who is not from this Your people, and/also they will arrive and pray in this place, and You shall listen to (him) out of the heaven, out of Your ready dwelling, and You shall make/do according to all things, as many as the alien one – according to the circumstances – may call against You, in that way (that) all the peoples may have knowledge of Your name and fear You entirely as Your people Israel, and You may have knowledge, that Your name has been (and is) called against, against this house, which I have built.” (1 Kings 8:41-43, Greek OT)

(Azariah said:) "Israel (was) many days not in/with a true God." (2 Chron 15:3a, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) "All the nations as many as You have made will arrive and prostrate themselves before, in the very eyes of You, Lord." (Ps 86:9a, Greek OT)

(Solomon said:) “Give knowledge of (the wisdom) in all your ways.” (Prov 3:6a, Greek OT)

(Wisdom said:) "My ways-out (are) ways-out of life." (Prov 8:35a, Greek OT)

(Hiskia prayed:) “You, Lord our God, save us out of (the) hand (of the kings of Assyria), in order that all kingdoms of the earth may have knowledge that You are the alone/only God.” (Is 37:20, Greek OT)

(Habakkuk said:) “The earth will fulfilled with the thing to have knowledge of the glory of the Lord.” (Hab 2:14a, Greek OT)

(The boy said to the king:) “I call on God ... that you shall confess Him out/frankly for the reason that alone/only God He is.” (2 Macc 7:37b)

(Solomon said: “The wicked say: ‘The righteous) promises/claims have knowledge of God.’” (Wisdom of Solomon 2:13a)

(Solomon said to God:) "To have insight in You (is) entire righteousness and to know Your power (is) a root of undeadliness/immortality." (Wisdom of Solomon 15:3)

(Azariah said to the Lord: “Let our enemies) gain knowledge that You alone are the Lord God.” (The Prayer of Azariah v 22a)


The Latter Revelation:

(The Lord said to His disciples:) “Many will speak to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy (in) Your name, and (in) Your name threw out many (א*) little demons, and in Your name make/do many abilities/’works of ability’?’ And then I will confess to them that/: ‘I have nor at any time had knowledge of you.’” (Matt 7:22-23a)

(Jesus said: "No one) has additional knowledge of the Father ‘if not’/except the Son, and (the one) to whom the Son – if according to the circumstances – may wish to reveal." (Matt 11:27b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “When the Son of the Man – according to the circumstances – may come in His glory, and all the messengers in company with Him, then He will sit down upon His throne of glory. And all the nations will be led together in front of Him. … (And) the righteous ones (will go away) into an agelong life.” (Matt 25:31-32a,46b)

Having come to/forward Jesus talked (with the eleven disciples) saying: "Every/all (judicial) authority in heaven and upon earth has been given to Me. Having gone * (א,* א, A) be/make disciples (of) all the nations." (Matt 28:18-19a; BG Ask-comment: Walter Bauer says in his Greek-English lexicon - p 485 - that the Greek word for "be or become a disciple" - as a transitive verb has the meaning of "make a disciple". Perhaps no translator has another meaning. But I am not sure that this is the johannine view. To be disciples in a company of all nations can cause the crowd of disciples to increase. Cf. John 17:21-23.)

… The scribes and the Pharisees (said at the meeting between Jesus and the paralysed man): “Who is this One who talks blasphemies? Who is able to let misses (of the mark of God) be, if not God alone/only?” (Luke 5:21)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) “You (may) behold Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you being thrown out outside. And (men) will arrive from upstickings/east and settings/west and * (א,*א,A) ‘north wind’/north and ‘south wind’/south and lean up/back in the kingdom of God." (Luke 13:28b-29)

(Paul) said to the Athenians:) "I have found a raised place, in which it was (and had been) inscribed: 'To an unknown God.' The thing you so have not knowledge of you revere, (about) this I bring away a messaage to you." (Acts 17:23b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "Amen, amen I say to you, that the one hearing My saying and believing (in) the One having sent Me has agelong life and does not come into judgment, however/but has stepped (and steps) over out of the death into the life." (John 5:24)

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "How are you able to believe taking glory from the side of one another and do not seek the glory from the side of the alone/only God?" (John 5:44)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) "Every (nation?) which the Father gives Me will arrive towards Me, and the one coming towards Me I may not/certainly not throw out * (א*) …I may not perish out/’in consequence’ of it, however/but (that) I may cause it to stand up in/on the last day." (John 6:37,39b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I have spoken/said (and speak/say) “friends” to you, because all things which I have heard from the side of My Father I have given you knowledge of." (John 15:15b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “And these things they may (א,* א) make/do to you (א,*א), because they have not gained knowledge of the Father, nor of Me.” (John 16:3)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

The real mark of a Christian is not that he knows about Jesus but that he knows Jesus. The basic mistake in Christianity is to regard Jesus as someone who lived and died and whose life we study and whose story we read. Jesus is not a figure in a book, he is a living presence. (William Barclay “The Acts of the Apostles” p 17)

Those who without letters have believed this faith are barbarians so far as regards our language; but as regards doctrine, manner and tenor of life they are, because of faith, very wise indeed; and they do please God, ordering their conversation in all righteousness, chastity and wisdom. ... It is not possible to live apart from life, and the means of life is found in fellowship with God; but fellowship with God is to know God, and to enjoy His goodness. (Irenaeus, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 417,489)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Carl Boberg, Yngve Brilioth, Sven Danell, Daniel Defoe, Ylva Eggehorn, Stefan Einhorn, Gunnar Fjellestad, Gillis Gerleman, Johannes Gossner, Anders Jeffner, Swening Johansson, Lars Levi Laestadius, Harry Lenhammar, Lars Lindberg, Fredrik Nielsen, Blaise Pascal, Norman Vincent Peale, Lewi Pethrus, Vilhelm Moberg, Bengt Pleijel, Harald Rasmussen, Viktor Rydberg, Henrik Schartau, Ola Sigurdson, William B. Silverman, Milton Steinberg, August Strindberg, Anthony C. Thiselton, Einar Thomassen, Henning Thulin, Anton Tjechov, John Wesley, R.A. Whitacre, Fredrik Wislöff, Virginia Woolf, Emile Zola.


My own comments and speculations:

The knowledge about the Father and the Son is a knowledge about the character of the agelong life of a mutual welcome. The Father welcomes the Son (John 3:35), and the Son welcomes the Father (John 14:31).

In a restoration perspective we see how the tree of knowledge to death is changed to a tree of knowledge to life.


Paul said to the believers in Philippi: “… I ‘am in command’/state all things be a damage/loss because of the being above, the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord.” (Phil 3:8a)

Paul said to the believers in Colossae: "In (Christ) are all the heaps/treasures of the wisdom and knowledge hidden away." (Col 2:3)

Paul said to Timothy: "(God our Saviour) wants all men to be saved and come into an additional knowledge of truth." (1 Tim 2:4)

Peter said to the believers: ”Joybringing (grace) to you and may peace ‘be made full’/’be complete’ in/with additional knowledge of God and of Jesus Christ (א,*א,A), our Lord.” (2 Pet 1:2)

You have ointment from the Holy One, and 'you know all ones'/'all of you have knowledge'. (1 John 2:20)

'Every the'/everyone denying the Son, nor has the Father. The one confessing the Son and/also has the Father. (1 John 2:23)

'Every the'/everyone staying in Him does not miss (the mark of God). 'Every the'/everyone missing (the mark of God) has not beheld (and does not behold) Him, nor He has (and has not had) knowledge of Him. (1 John 3.6)

In this we (א*) have knowledge of the Spirit of God: every spirit which confesses Jesus Christ having come (and coming) in flesh is out of God. (1 John 4:2)

We are out of God. The one having knowledge of God hears us. The one who is not out of God does not hear us. Out of this we have knowledge of the spirit of the truth and the spirit of the going astray. Welcomed, let us welcome one another, because the welcome is out of God, and 'every the'/everyone welcoming is (and has been) begotten out of God and has knowledge of God. The one not welcoming has not gained knowledge of God, that God is a welcome. (1 John 4:6-8)

We know, that the Son of God has arrived and has given (and gives) us a mind, ‘in order’/so that we * (א,* א, A, B*) have knowledge of the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son, Jesus Christ. This One is the true God and agelong life. (1 John 5:20)


Additional studies:

Esther 4:17l(C14); Prov 11:9; Jer 31:34; Dan 9:22; Hos 4:6; Amos 5:4; 2 Macc 1:24-25; Luke 10:22; John 1:9,17; 3:17; 5:44; 8:28,32; 10:14-15; 17:8,21,23,25; 1 Cor 15:34; Phil 3:10; 1 Thess 1:9; 1 Tim 2:5; 2 Pet 1:3,8; 1 John 1:3; Rev 3:7,14; 6:10.


Richard Alan Young "The Knowledge of God in Romans 1:18-23: Exegetical and Theological Reflections"; Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 43.4 (Dec 2000): 695-707.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-14; 2012-02-10; 2014-10-08)

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17:4-5 I glorified You upon the earth, having made perfect the work, which You have given (and give) Me, in order that I may make. And now glorify You Me, Father, by the side of Yourself (with) the glory, which I (continually) had by the side of You before the adornment/’adorned world’ was by the side of You.

Word for word: 17:4 (14 words in the Greek text) i/I you glorified upon the earth the work having-made-perfect which (you)-have-given-(and-gives) me in-order-that (i/I)-may-make. 17:5 (19 words in the Greek text) and now glorify me you, father, by-the-side-of yourself (with)-the glory which (i/I)-(continually)-had 'before (of)-the'/before the adornment be by-the-side-of you.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(Moses said to the synagogue/gathering:) "... You will gain knowledge that the Lord has dispatched me away to make/do all these works, because (these are) not from Myself." (Num 16:28, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "The ones glorifying Me I will glorify, and the one despising Me will be unhonoured." (1 Sam 2:30b, Greek OT)

Every occupation was ‘made ready’/prepared from which day (the house) was based of the foundation of the house of the Lord, and till where/’the time when’ Solomon had made the house of the Lord perfect. (2 Chron 8:16, Greek OT)

(Nehemiah said:) “This work (with the temple) became ‘to be made’/made perfect from the side of our God.” (Neh 6:16b, Greek OT)

(David said:) “The Lord spoke to my Lord: ‘Be seated ‘out of’/at My right (parts), till I – according to the circumstances – may put Your enemies a footstool of Your feet.’” (Ps 110:1, Greek OT)

(Wisdom said:) “Before the age (the Lord) based Me in a beginning." (Prov 8:23, Greek OT)

(Wisdom said: "When the Lord) (continually) made the bases of the earth stable, I (continually) was betrothed by the side of Him. I (continually) was towards (the place) where He rejoiced." (Prov 8:29b-30a, Greek OT)

(The Lord) spoke to me: "You are My slave, Israel, and in you I will be glorified." (Is 49:3, Greek OT)

(The messenger said to Tobias: “Your woman/wife) has been (and is) ‘divided into portions’/attributed you before the age, and you will save her, and she will go in company with you, and I ‘take from below’/conceive, because little boys and girls will be to you out of her, and they will be to you as brothers. ... “ (Tobit 6:18b, S)

(Solomon prayed to the Lord:) “Give me the wisdom sitting by the side of Your thrones." (Wisdom of Solomon 9:4a)


The Latter Revelation:

Having beheld (that Jesus had healed the paralytic) the crowds feared and glorified God, the One having given (judicial) authority of such kind to the men. (Matt 9:8)

(The crowd) (continually) (א,* א) glorified the God of Israel. (Matt 15:31b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Children, how troublesome it is to come into, into the kingdom of God! … By the side of men (it is) unable, however/but not by the side of God. For all things are able by the side of God." (Mark 10:24b,27b)

Jesus spoke (to the priest leader): “I am. And you will behold the Son of the Man being seated out of the right (parts) of the Ability and coming in company with the clouds of the heaven.” (Mark 14:62)

(Jesus said to some Pharisees:) "Behold, I throw out little demons, and healings I end off today and (the) following day, and the third (day) I am made perfect." (Luke 13:32b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “I say to you that this, the thing having been (and being) written must be ended in Me, the/this: ‘And He was counted in company with lawless.’ For and/also the thing on account of Me has an end.” (Luke 22:37)

Having gazed into the heaven (Stephen) beheld a glory of God, and Jesus standing out of the right (parts) of God. (Acts 7:55b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

The One coming from above is above all. The one being out of the earth is out of the earth and out of the earth he talks. (John 3:31)

Jesus says to (His disciples): “My food is ‘in order that’/that I might make/do the will of the One having sent Me and make His work perfect.” (John 4:34)

(Jesus said:) “I know (the Father), because I am from the side of Him, and that One has dispatched (and dispatches) (P66,א,*א) Me away.” (John 7:29)

Jesus answered (the Jews): “If – according to the circumstances – I may glorify Myself, My glory is nothing. My Father is the One glorifying Me, of whom you say, that He is your (א,* א, B*) God.” (John 8:54)

When (Judas) so had come out, Jesus says: “Now has the Son of the Man been glorified, and God has been glorified in Him. * (P66,א*,B) And God will glorify Him in Himself, and straight off He will glorify Him.” (John 13:31-32)

(Jesus) said: "Father, the hour has come (and comes). Glorify Your Son, in order that the Son may glorify You." (John 17:1b)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

The supreme place of the Father is guarded with the expression "gave". Even the work that Jesus did was work that the Father gave him. The initiative is seen as resting with the Father. (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 638)

Not alone antecedently to Adam, but also before all creation, the Word glorified His Father, remaining in Him; and was Himself glorified by the Father, as He did Himself declare. (Irenaeus, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 478)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Johannes Gossner, Kari Syreeni, Pontus Wikner.


Paul said to the believers in Rome: "Christ was raised out of dead (bodies) through the glory of the Father." (Rom 6:4b)

Paul said to the believers in Rome: “(Christ Jesus) is the One who is in/at the right (hand) of God and the One who entreats in favour of us.” (Rom 8:34b)

Paul said to the believers in Corinth: “(The Lord) has spoken (and speaks) to me: ‘My joybringing (grace) is enough for you, for the ability is ended in weakness.’” (2 Cor 12:9a)

Paul said to the believers in Philippi: “’Beginning under’/being in a shape of God, (Jesus Christ) ‘was not in command’/’did not state’ to be equal (with) God (as) a rapture, however/but emptied Himself, having taken a shape of a slave, having become in ‘a likeness of’/’one like’ men." (Phil 2:6-7a)


Additional studies: Matt 26:64; Luke 22:69; John 1:1; 3:12; 5:36; 6:62; 7:39; 8:58; 12:28; 14:13; 17:24; 19:28; Acts 2:34; Phil 2:9; 1 Tim 3:16; 1 Pet 1:21; 3:22; Heb 1:3,8,13; 5:9; Rev 2:28(29); 3:21; 5:13.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-14; 2012-02-11; 2014-10-09)

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17:6 I have made Your name visible to the men whom You gave Me out of the adornment/’adorned world’. (Continually) they were to You, and to Me You gave them, and they kept/observed (א,*א) Your saying.

Word for word (22 words in the Greek text): (I)-made-visible your the name (to)-the men whom (you)-gave me out-of the adornment. (to)-you (they)-(continually)-were and-(to)-me them (you)-gave and the saying your (they)-kept/observed.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

Moses spoke (directed) towards God: “Behold, I shall come towards the sons of Israel, and I shall speak towards them: ‘The God of your fathers has dispatched (and dispatches) me away towards you.’ They will ask me: 'What (is) a name to Him?' What shall I speak towards them?” And God spoke towards Moses: “I am the One who is.” And He spoke: “In this way you shall speak to the sons of Israel: ‘The One who is has dispatched (and dispatches) me away towards you.’” (Ex 3:13-14, Greek OT)

(Moses said to Israel:) "You shall welcome the Lord your God and watch/keep His watchings/charges and His fundamental laws and His judgments all the days." (Deut 11:1, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) "I will describe Your name to my brothers." (Ps 22:22a or 22:23a, Greek OT)

(The psalmist said:) "The Lord (is) my portion. I have spoken to watch/keep Your law." (Ps 119:57, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) “My people will have knowledge of My name in that day, that I am the One talking: ’I am by the side of.’” (Is 52:6, Greek OT)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “Pray you so in this way: ‘Our Father, the One in the heavens. Let your name be made holy.’” (Matt 6:9)

(Jesus said to a rich man:) “If you want to come into, into the life, keep the commandments.” (Matt 19:17b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “It/there is not anything (א,* א, A) hidden, if not – according to the circumstances – in order that it may be made visible, nor it became hidden away, however/but in order that it might come into (the) visible.” (Mark 4:22)

(Jesus) (continually/repeatedly) said to (the Pharisees and the scribes:) “Finely/”in a fine way’ you do not adopt the commandment of God, in order that you may keep (א,*א,A,B) your tradition.” (Mark 7:9)

(Peter said:) “And to me God has shown to not say/call anyone/any man common (people) or unclean.” (Acts 10:28b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

As many as took him, to them He gave (judicial) authority to become children of God. (John 1:12a)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) “Every (nation?) which the Father gives Me will arrive towards Me, and the one coming towards Me I may not/certainly not throw out * (א*) … I may not perish out/’in consequence’ of it, however/but (that) I may cause it to stand up in/on the last day.” (John 6:37a,39b)

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "Amen, amen I say to you, if – according to the circumstances – anyone may keep My saying, He will (א,* א) not/certainly not look at death into the (coming) age." (John 8:51)

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "I know (My Father) and I keep His saying." (John 8:55b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "If – according to the circumstances – you may keep My commandments, stay in My welcome, entirely as and/also (א,*א) I have kept (and keep) My Father's, My (א*) commandments, and stay in His welcome." (John 15:10)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "If you (continually) were out of the adornment/’adorned world’, the adornment/’adorned world’ – according to the circumstances – (continually) was friends with the own thing. But because you are not out of the adornment/’adorned world’ – however/certainly I chose you out of the adornment/’adorned world’ – because of this the adornment/’adorned world’ hates you." (John 15:19)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "You have given (the Son) (judicial) authority of every/all flesh, in order that every (nation?) which You have given (and give) Him, I may to it (א*) give agelong life." (John 17:2b)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

Examples of quoted authors in the Swedish version: Gordon Bridger, Bo Frid, Johannes Gossner, Olle Nystedt, Jesper Svartvik.


My own comments and speculations:

According to the Sinaiticus-text the disciples "observed" the saying of Jesus. The aorist-form suggests one in the time delimited action and then perhaps in the first place the answer to the call of Jesus to "believe into" Him, He who is the Saying of God. Compare John 1:1-2 and Rev 3:8b.

Concerning the name of God, compare the seven "I am-names" for Jesus. "I am the bread of life" (John 6:35), "I am the light of the adornment/’adorned world’" (John 8:12), "I am the door" (John 10:7), "I am the fine shepherd" (John 10:11), "I am the resurrection and the life" (John 11:25), "I am the way and the truth and the life" (John 14:6) and "I am the true vine" (John 15:1)

The Greek word ”kamoi” (and to me) only occurs here in the johannine writings. In the Synoptics and in the Acts this word only occurs in Acts 10:28.


(The Son said His Father): "I will bring away a message (about) Your Name to My brothers." (Heb 2:12a)

The one who – according to the circumstances – may keep (Jesus') saying, in this one the welcome of God truly has been (and is) made perfect. In/by this we have knowledge, that we are in Him. (1 John 2:5)


Additional studies:

John 6:44-45; 8:47; 17:9,24,26; 18:37; Heb 2:13; Rev 3:3,8,10-11; 11:18; 13:17-18; 19:12-13; 20:4; 22:4,7.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-14; 2012-02-12; 2014-10-10)

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17:7-8 Now I have gained (א,*א)knowledge, that all things as many as You have given (and give) Me are from the side of You, that the words, which You have given (and give) (א,* א) Me, I have given (and give) to them. And they have themselves truly taken (them) * (א*), that I came out from the side of You. And they have believed, that You dispatched Me away.

Word for word: 17:7 (10 words in the Greek text) now (i/I)-gained-knowledge that all-(things) as-many-as (you)-have-given-(and-give) me from-the-side-of you are. 17:8 (22 words in the Greek text Sinaiticus prima manus) that the words which (you)-have-given-(and-gives) me (i/I)-have-given-(and-gives) (to)-them, and they-(themselves) took truly that from-the-side-of you (i/I)-came-out, and (they)-believed that you me dispatched-away.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(The messenger of the Lord said to Abraham:) "Now I have gained knowledge that you fear God, and you have not spared your son, the welcomed one 'because of'/'with a view to' Me." (Gen 22:12b, Greek OT)

(Moses said to the synagogue/gathering:) "... You will gain knowledge that the Lord has dispatched me away to make/do all these works, because (these are) not from Myself." (Num 16:28, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to Moses about Israel:) "I will cause a prophet to stand up to them out of their brothers just as you, and I will give My word in his mouth, and he shall talk (with) them, in so far as I - according to the circumstances - may enjoin him.” (Deut 18:18, Greek OT)

(David said:) “The Lord spoke to my Lord: ‘Be seated ‘out of’/at My right (parts), till I – according to the circumstances – may put Your enemies a footstool of Your feet.’” (Ps 110:1, Greek OT)

(Wisdom said: "When the Lord) (continually) made the bases of the earth stable, I (continually) was betrothed by the side of Him. I (continually) was towards (the place) where He rejoiced." (Prov 8:29b-30a, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) “My people will have knowledge of My name in that day, that I am the One talking: ’I am by the side of.’” (Is 52:6, Greek OT)

(Solomon prayed to the Lord:) “Give me the wisdom sitting by the side of Your thrones." (Wisdom of Solomon 9:4a)


The Latter Revelation:

(The mother of the sons of Zebedee) says to (Jesus): ”Speak in order that in Your kingdom these my two sons may sit down, one ‘out of’/at * (א,*א,B) 'right (parts)'/'the right (hand)' and one ‘out of’/at ‘Your (parts) of a good name’/’Your left’.” … (Jesus said:) ”To sit down ‘out of’/at My right (parts/hand) and ‘out of’/at ‘(parts) of a good name’/the left * (א,*א,B) is not Mine to give, however/but (it is) to what ones it has been (and is) made ready by My Father.” (Matt 20:21b,23b)

Jesus says to (the priest leaders and the elders): “Did you nor at any time read in the writings: ‘A stone which the ones building rejected, this has become into a head/beginning of a corner, from the side of the Lord this became, and it is wondrous in our eyes?’” (Matt 21:42)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Children, how troublesome it is to come into, into the kingdom of God! … By the side of men (it is) unable, however/but not by the side of God. For all things are able by the side of God." (Mark 10:24b,27b)

Jesus spoke (to the priest leader): “I am. And you will behold the Son of the Man being seated out of the right (parts) of the Ability and coming in company with the clouds of the heaven.” (Mark 14:62)

Jesus (continually) advanced in the wisdom and bodily growth and joybringing (grace) by the side of God and men. (Luke 2:52)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “Give and it will be given to you.” (Luke 6:38a)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) ”Truly, (there) are some of the ones (of the Son of the Man) standing in the same place (as I) who not/certainly not may taste death, till they – according to the circumstances – may behold the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:27)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven: And we viewed His glory, a glory as of an only descendant from the side of a father, filled with joybringing (grace) and truth. (John 1:14b)

(Jesus said:) “I know (the Father), because I am from the side of Him, and that One has dispatched (and dispatches) (P66,א,*א) Me away.” (John 7:29)

Jesus said to (those Jews who to begin with believed Him:) “I have come out, out of God, and I have arrived. For nor I have come (and come) from Myself, however/but that One has dispatched Me away.” (John 8:42b)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) "The one not adopting Me and not taking My words has the one judging him; that saying, which I have talked, will judge him in/at the last day. For I have not talked out of Myself, however/but the One having sent Me, a Father, He has given (and gives) Me a commandment, what I may speak and what I may talk. And I know, that His commandment is agelong life. The things I so talk, I talk entirely in this way as the Father has spoken (and speaks) to Me." (John 12:48-50)

(Jesus' disciples said to Him (P5,א*,A):) “Now we know, that You know all things and have not need ‘in order that’/that anyone may ask you. In/’by means of’ this we believe, that You have come out from God.” (John 16:30)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "Now glorify You Me, Father, by the side of Yourself (with) the glory, which I (continually) had by the side of You before the adornment/’adorned world’ was by the side of You." (John 17:5)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

In the Midrash on Ps. 110:36 (35 in our A.V.) Ps 110 verse 1 'Sit thou at My right hand' is specifically applied to the Messiah, while Abraham is said to be seated at the left. (Alfred Edersheim "The life and times of Jesus the Messiah Part II" p 721)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Harald Rasmussen, Einar Thomassen.


My own comments and speculations:

According to the reading of Sinaiticus Jesus first now knows that everything God has given Him is from (the side of) the Lord. That He Himself comes from there, he already says in John 7:28. Compare also John 16:27.


Upon/’with regard to’ these last days (God) has talked (with) us in/’by means of’ a Son ... being a reflection of His glory and a stamp of His steadfastness, carrying both/moreover all the things (with) the word of His ability. (Heb 1:2a,3a)


Additional studies:

Matt 26:64; Luke 2:40; 22:69; John 3:17; 4:41-42; 6:46,68; 8:51; 11:42; 15:15; 16:27; 17:3,14,18,21,23,25-26; Rom 10:17; Rev 1:1; 2:13.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-16; 2012-02-12; 2014-10-11)

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17:9-10 I ask on account of them. I do not ask on account of the adornment/’adorned world’ however/but on account of the ones You have given (and give) Me, because they are to You. And You have given them to Me (א,*א), and I am (and have been) glorified in them.

Word for word: 17:9 (17 words in the Greek text) I on-account-of them ask, not on-account-of the adornment (i/I)-ask however on-account-of 'which-ones'/'the-ones' (you)-have-given-(and-gives) me, because (to)-you (they)-are. 17:10 (8 words in the Greek text Sinaiticus) and (to)-me them (you)-gave and (i/I)-am-(and-have-been)-glorified in them.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

This (is) the blessing (with) which Moses, a man of God, blessed the sons of Israel before his death. (Deut 33:1, Greek OT)

(The Lord) spoke to me: "You are My slave, Israel, and in you I will be glorified." (Is 49:3, Greek OT)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples: “Pray in this way: ‘Our Father,) let Your kingdom come, become/’be ... done’ Your will, as in heaven and/also upon earth.’” (Matt 6:10)

(Simeon said: "My eyes have beheld) a light into a revelation of nations and a glory of Your people Israel." (Luke 2:32)

(The father) spoke to (his older son): ”Child, you are always in company with me, and all my things it is your things.” (Luke 15:31)

(Jesus said to Simon:) "I have 'been in need of'/'strived after' on account of you, in order that your faith may not ‘leave out’/cease. And you, once having turned yourself next to (Me), ‘set fast’/confirm your brothers." (Luke 22:32)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

For in this way God welcomed the adornment/’adorned world’, so that He gave the Son, the only descendant, in order that 'every the'/everyone believing into Him may not perish however/but have agelong life. (John 3:16)

(Jesus said to the crowd:) "Every (nation?) which the Father gives Me will arrive towards Me, and the one coming towards Me I may not/certainly not throw out * (א*) … I may not perish out/’in consequence’ of it, however/but (that) I may cause it to stand up in/on the last day." (John 6:37,39b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I will ask the Father, and He will give you Another, One being called to the side of (you), in order that It may be in company with you into the (coming) age, the Spirit of the truth, which the adornment/’adorned world’ is not able to take, because it does not look at It, nor it has knowledge. You have knowledge of It, because It stays by the side of you and It will be in you." (John 14:16-17)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

(Jesus) could scarcely pray for "the world" as such, which would mean praying that the world might continue in its worldliness and its opposition to God. Prayer for the world could only be that it be converted. (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 642)

To pray for the “kosmos” (the world) would be almost an absurdity, since the only hope for the “kosmos” is precisely that it should cease to be the “kosmos”. … The world cannot be prayed for, because, as the “kosmos”, it has set itself outside the purpose of God. The disciples on the other hand belong to God as they do to Christ. … They become the Father's through their faith in Jesus and because they keep his word. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 506)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Sven Danell, Bob Dylan, Bo Frid, Ad. Kolmodin, Martin Luther, Gösta Sandberg, Jesper Svartvik, Kari Syreeni, Pontus Wikner.


Do not welcome the adornment/’adorned world’, but/and not the things in the adornment/’adorned world’. If – according to the circumstances – anyone may welcome the adornment/’adorned world’, the welcome of the Father is not in him. (1 John 2:15)


Additional studies:

Ex 8:28,30-31; 9:28,33; 10:16-18; Dan 7:14; John 2:11; 16:15; 17:2,6,20; 2 Thess 1:10,12; Rev 3:10.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-16; 2012-02-13; 2014-10-12)

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17:11 And I am no longer in the adornment/’adorned world’. And/but they are themselves in the adornment/’adorned world’, and I come towards You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, which You have given (P66,א,*א) Me, in order that they may be one entirely as we.

Word for word (32 words in the Greek text): and no-longer (i/I)-am in the adornment and they-(themselves) in the adornment are, and-i/I towards you come. father holy, keep them in the name your (in)-which (you)-gave me, in-order-that (they)-may-be one entirely-as we.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(The Lord said to Israel:) ”I am the Lord your God. You shall be made holy and be holy, because I am holy.” (Lev 11:44, Greek OT)

(Moses said to Israel:) "The Lord our God, the Lord is one." (Deut 6:4b, Greek OT)

(Solomon said:) “Out of a stable greatness (is) the name of the Lord. But/and having run to it righteous ones are heightened.” (Prov 18:10, Greek OT)

The other/one (seraph) shouts (and has shouted) towards the other and he (continually/repeatedly) said: “Holy, holy, holy (is) the Lord of hosts. (Is 6:3a, Greek OT)

(The priests said:) “And now, holy Lord of every holiness, keep throughout (the temple) undefiled into a (coming) age.” (2 Macc 14:36a)

(Solomon said:) “How had – according to the circumstances – anyone stayed/abode throughout, if not You had wanted (it), or been kept throughout (if) not having been called by You? But You may spare all, because ‘it is’/’they are’ Yours, (You) Master (and) Friend of Soul/Life, for Your immortal spirit is in all.” (Wisdom of Solomon 11:25-12:1)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) “You will/shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matt 5:48)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Pray you so in this way: 'Our Father, the (One) in the heavens. Let your name be made holy, let Your kingdom come, become/’be ... done’ Your will, as in heaven and/also upon earth.’” (Matt 6:9-10)

(Jesus taught His disciples to pray in this way:) “You may not carry us into test.” (Matt 6:13a)

(Jesus said:) "All things have been given to the side of Me by the (א*) Father, and no one has additional knowledge of the Son ‘if not’/except the Father. Nor anyone has additional knowledge of the Father ‘if not’/except the Son, and (the one) to whom the Son – if according to the circumstances - may wish to reveal." (Matt 11:27)

(The resurrected Jesus said/spoke to His apostles) the things on account of the kingdom of God. (Acts 1:3b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

The Saying was God. (John 1:1b)

(Jesus said to the Jews:) "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

Knowing that His hour had come in order that He might step over out of this adornment/'adorned world' towards the Father, having welcomed the own, the ones in the adornment/'adorned world', Jesus welcomed them into/'up to' (the) end. (John 13:1b)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "I have made Your name visible to the men whom You gave Me out of the adornment/'adorned world'." (John 17:6a)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

Seven times in this prayer Jesus prays for his followers with the expression "hina ôsin" (vv. 11,19,21 /twice/, 22,23,24). Four of these are connected with unity. ... The unity prayed for is a unity already given: Jesus does not pray that (his followers) may "become" one, but that they may "continually be" one. ... This appears to be the force of the present subjunctive "hina ôsin". Lenski stresses this, and points out that "genôntai" would be required for the sense "get to be one". ... It is a unity "in" the Father and the Son (v. 21). Christ is to be "in" them (v. 23). We should be clear that the unity for which Jesus prays is a unity that rests on a common basic attitude, that of abiding in him and having him abide in them. ... Enthusiasts for the ecumenical movement sometimes speak as though the reunion of Christendom would be the answer to Jesus' prayer. While it is true that unity of organization can be an impressive witness to unity of spirit, yet as such it is merely outward. (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 644)

Before we have met Jesus' love, John 13:34f, 15:12, or the love of the Father, John 15:9, as a model and an origin to all love. Now the unity between the Father and the Son is the source of the mutual love of the disciples. (René Kieffer "Johannesevangeliet" p 397-398; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

"Keep them in Your name", that is, preserve them as what they are, a group of men separated from the world as God's own possession. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 507)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Donald A. Carson, Ylva Eggehorn, Bo Frid, Bertil Gärtner, William B. Silverman, Anfin Skaaheim, Jesper Svartvik, Kari Syreeni, Leo Tolstoj, Verner von Heidenstam, P. Waldenström.


Paul said to the believers in Rome: "In this way we, the many, are one body in Christ, but 'according to one'/'one by one' limbs of one another." (Rom 12:5)

Paul said to the believers in Philippi: "(God) gave (Christ Jesus) graciously the name (which is) over every name." (Phil 2:9b)

Paul said to the believers in Colossae: "In (Christ) every/all the complement was pleased (with) to dwell. ... In Him every/all the complement of the Divinity dwells bodily." (Col 1:19; 2:9)


Additional studies:

Lev 19:2; Luke 10:22; 11:4; John 5:18; 7:33; 10:30; 17:13,21-23,25; Gal 3:28; Eph 4:3; 1 Pet 1:16; 1 John 2:15-17; Jude v 1; Rev 3:7; 4:8.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-16; 2012-02-14; 2014-10-13)

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17:12 When I (continually) was in company with them, I (continually) kept them in Your name * (P66,א*). And I watched (them), and no one out of them perished, 'if not'/except the son of the perdition, in order that the writing might be completed.

Word for word: (28 words in the Greek text Sinaiticus prima manus) when (i/I)-(continually)-was in-company-with them i/I (continually)-kept them in the name your and (i/I)-watched, and no-one out-of them perished if not the son (of)-the (of)-perdition, in-order-that the writing might-be-completed.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

As (Moses) 'was caused to cease'/ceased talking all these sayings ... the earth was opened and drank down (the rebellious) and their houses and all the men being in company with Corah and (also) their domestic animals. And they and as many things as are theirs descended living into Hades. And the earth veiled them, and they perished out of a middle of the synagogue. (Num 16:31-33, Greek OT)

(Moses) had a prayer towards the Lord and spoke: "Lord, Lord, a king of the gods, You may not wholly destruct Your people and Your portion/inheritance, whom You have redeemed in/with Your great stability, whom You have led out, out of 'an earth'/'a land' of Egypt in/with Your great stability." (Deut 9:26a, Greek OT)

This (is) the blessing (with) which Moses, a man of God, blessed the sons of Israel before his end. (Deut 33:1, Greek OT) (Cf. Deut 33:2-29. All the twelve sons are blessed, all except Simeon)

(David said to Nathan:) "The male having done this (is) a son of death." (2 Sam 12:5b, Greek OT)

(David said:) "And/also the man of my peace, against whom I hoped, the one eating my breads/bread, he has 'made ... great'/praised a striking with the heel against me." (Ps 41:9 or 41:10, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) "Let the days (of my enemy) become few. O that the other one may take his visitation/inspection." (Ps 109:8, Greek OT)

(Solomon said:) "Out of a stable greatness (is) the name of the Lord. But/and having run to it righteous ones are heightened." (Prov 18:10, Greek OT)

Six will be a saying being watched (by) a son of perdition. (Prov 24:22aa, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to Israel:) "Lawless sons, seed of adulterers and a fornicator ... are you not children of perdition, a lawless seed?" (Is 57:3b,4b Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "I shall cause shepherds to stand up for (the whole rest of My people), (shepherds) who will be shepherds for them." (Jer 23:4a, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "I will send fire upon Moab, and it will consume the citadels of Kerioth." (Amos 2:2a, "New American Standard")

This is what the Lord says: "I will dispatch out a fire against Moab, and it shall eat down/up bases of its cities." (Amos 2:2a, Greek OT)

(Judas) gave himself to save his people and to 'make about'/'acquire to' himself an agelong name. (1 Macc 6:44)

(Solomon said:) "God has not made death, nor He amuses Himself on/'for the sake of' perdition of living ones." (Wisdom of Solomon 1:13)

(Solomon said: "The wisdom) will watch Me in her glory." (Wisdom of Solomon 9:11b)

(Solomon said: "Wisdom) had knowledge of the righteous one and kept him blameless (for) God and watched him stable/'with stability' ... . Perishing wicked ones out/utterly she delivered a righteous." (Wisdom of Solomon 10:5b-6a)

(Solomon said to God:) "If we - according to the circumstances - may miss (Your mark), we are Yours knowing Your power. But we will not miss (Your mark), knowing that we are (and have been) counted (as) Yours." (Wisdom of Solomon 15:2)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "A thief (is) takable/preferable or/'more than' the one persisting (in) a lie, but both will inherit perdition." (Sir 20:25)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Many have been given (over) into fall in grace/favour of goldmetal, and it has been their perdition." (Sir 31:6a)

The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Broad * (א*) and spacious (is) the way leading away into perdition ... ." (Matt 7:13b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Woe to the adornment/'adorned world' from/'owing to' the stumbling blocks!" For it is (א,* א) a necessity (that) the stumbling blocks come, 'more than'/but woe to the man through whom the stumbling block comes!" (Matt 18:7)

(Jesus said to the scribes and the Pharisees:) "You may - according to the circumstances - make (one who has come over to you) a son of Gehenna double more (compared with) yourselves." (Matt 23:15b)

(The disciples said:) "Into/'for the purpose of' what (is) this perdition (with the ointment oil)?" (Matt 26:8b)

(The shepherds) watching/'kept watch' (by) night against/over their flock. (Luke 2:8b)

(The father said to his elder son:) "We (continually) had to be cheerful and rejoice, because this your brother (continually) was (a) dead (body), and he has lived/'come to life', (continually) was/being (and having been) (א,*א) perished and having been found." (Luke 15:32)

Peter spoke towards (Simon): "Oh, that your silvermetal may be/come into a perdition together with you, because you have adopted as a law (that you could) acquire the benefit of God through/with matters/money." (Acts 8:20)

(Paul said to the ones being on the boat:) "'No one'/no soul out of you will be 'throwing away'/lost more than the boat." (Acts 27:22b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

Jesus answered and spoke to (א,*א) them: "Did I not choose you, the twelve? And out of you it/there is a slanderer." (John 6:70)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I do not say/speak on account of all of you. I know whom I have chosen. However, (this comes about) in order that the writing may be completed: "The one chewing the bread in company with Me (P66, א,* א, A) has lifted (and lifts) (א,*א,A) his heel against, against Me." (John 13:18)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

The day the religion begins to be profitable, its predecessors are on the point of driving themselves to destruction. (See 1 Tim 6:5). (Peter Halldorf "Andens folk" p 292 in comment to Acts 18; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

As to the war just now no particularly sensational things happen more than it looks as if it totally gets out of hand for the Italians. Churchill has made a speech to the Italian people stressing that one single man having plunged them in perdition. A joke: Malicious rumour in Berlin has it that Quisling has been with Hitler asking for a promise to be allowed to call the book he publishes about his struggle for the power - "Mein Kämpflein". ". (Astrid Lindgren "Krigsdagböcker 1939-1945" p 74; 1940-12-28; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

"Today I am allowed to go to a place where I can be allowed to booze in peace", (Lars Gunnarsson said to his wife). He went towards the gate. His wife followed after him. But when he would go through the gate hole, he pushed her back. "What do you want with me? I have got my warning. I go towards the perdition." (Selma Lagerlöf "Kejsarn av Portugallien" p 148-149; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Elisabeth Beskow, Carl Grimberg, Erik Johannesson, Carl Henrik Martling, Viktor Rydberg.


My own comments and speculations:

In a restoration perspective the disciple Judas, who gave his Lord to save the people, is a contrast to "the lord" Judas Maccabaeus, who gave himself to save his people. (1 Macc 6:44).

Jesus watches His disciples as a shepherd watches his sheep. Cf. Jer 23:4; Luke 2:8.

Concerning the verb "complete", see My own comments and speculations to John 19:33-37.


Paul said to the believers in Thessalonica: "The man of the lawlessness,, the son of the perdition, may be revealed." (2 Thess 2:3b)

If - according to the circumstances - anyone may behold his brother 'missing (the mark of God)'/making a miss (of the mark of God), not towards death, he will demand and he will give life to him, to those who do not miss (the mark of God) towards death. It/there is a miss (of the mark of God) towards death. I do not say/speak on account of that, in order that you may ask (for it). (1 John 5:16)


Greek words: apôleia (perdition) (in the NT + examples in the Apocrypha) Wisdom of Solomon 1:13; Sir 20:25; 31:6; Baruch 4:25; Matt 7:13; 26:8; John 17:12; Acts 8:20; 2 Thess 2:3 - Esther 7:4; 8:12n(E13),12u(E23); Tobit 4:13(BA); 13:2; 14:15; Judith 7:25; 11:22; 13:16; 1 Macc 3:42; 2 Macc 12:27; Wisdom of Solomon 5:7; 18:7; Sir 9:9; 16:9; 36:8(11); 41:10; 48:6; 51:2,11(12); Baruch 4:6; Bel and the Dragon v 42; Mark 14.4; Rom 9:22; Phil 1:28; 3:19; 1 Tim 6:9; Heb 10:39; 2 Pet 2:1,3; 3:7,16; Rev 17:8,11.


Additional studies:

Ex 32:11-13; Sir 34:16(19); Luke 12:6-7; John 3:16; 6:12,39; 10:28; 13:2,27,30; 18:9; Acts 1:16-17, 25; Eph 2:3; 1 John 5:18; Rev 2:12; 9:11.


Håkan Bengtsson "'Undergångens man': Om utgestaltningen av Judas Iskariot i två moderna passionsspel"; Svensk Exegetisk Årsbok 69 (2004).

Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:13 But now I come towards You. And I talk these things in the adornment/'adorned world', in order that they may have My joy being (and having been) completed in them * (P66,א*).

Word for word (20 words in the Greek text):now but towards you (i/I)-come and these-(things) (i/I)-talk in the adornment in-order-that (they)-may-have the joy the-(one) my being-(and-having-been)-completed in them.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(Moses said to Israel:) "If - according to the circumstances - the Lord your God may bless you in all your produces and in every/all (the) work of your hands, and/then you will 'be being'/be cheerful." (Deut 16:15b, Greek OT)

"Amuse yourself and be cheerful, daughter of Zion; for the reason, behold, that I come and will pitch a tent in your middle", says the Lord. (Zech 2:10, Greek OT)


The Latter Revelation:

(Mariam (א,*א) from Magdala and the another/other Mary had quickly gone) away from the memorial tomb in company with fear and great joy. ... And behold, Jesus 'went to meet'/met them, saying: "Rejoice." (Matt 28:8a,9a)

It became in His blessing (the disciples), (that Jesus) stood apart from them * (א*). And having prostrated themselves (in adoration) (towards) Him, they returned into Jerusalem in company with great joy. (Luke 24:51b-52)

The disciples (continually) were completed/fulfilled (with regard to) joy and holy spirit. (Acts 13:52)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "These things I have talked (and talk) (with) you, in order that the joy, My (joy), may stay (א,*א) in you, and (that) your joy may be completed." (John 15:11)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

In the upper room we find (the word "joy") seven times (15:11,11; 16:20,21,22,24; 17:13). ... Clearly joy receives special emphasis in the upper room. (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 598)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Bengt Pleijel.


Paul said to the believers in Rome: "(The kingdom of God) is righteousness and peace and joy in holy spirit." (Rom 14:17b)

And these things we write, in order that our joy may be being (and having been) completed. (1 John 1:4)


Additional studies:

Matt 2:10; 13:5-6,20-21,44; 28:8; Mark 4:16-17; Luke 1:14; 8:13; 10:20; John 3:29; 7:33; 16:20-22,24; 17:11; 20:20; Acts 8:8; Rom 15:13; 2 Cor 2:3; 7:4; 8:2; Gal 5:22; Phil 1:25; 2:2,29; Col 1:12; 1 Thess 1:6; Philemon v 7; Heb 10:34; Jas 1:2; 2 John v 12; Rev 2:13.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:14-16 I have given (and give) them Your saying, and the adornment/'adorned world' has hated them, because they are not out of the adornment/'adorned world', entirely as I am not out of the adornment/'adorned world'. I do not ask, in order that You may lift them out of the adornment/'adorned world', however/but that You may keep them out of the evil. They are not out of the adornment/'adorned world', entirely as I am not out of the adornment/'adorned world'.

Word for word: 17:14 (24 words in the Greek text) i/I have-given-(and-give) them the saying your and the adornment hated them, because not (they)-are out-of the adornment entirely-as i/I not (i/I)-am out-of the adornment. 17:15 (15 words in the Greek text) not (i/I)-ask in-order-that (you)-may-lift them out-of the adornment, however in-order-that (you)-may-keep them out-of the evil. 17:16 (12 words in the Greek text) out-of the adornment not (they)-are entirely-as i/I not (i/I)-am out-of the adornment.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

The woman spoke (to the Lord God): "The serpent cheated me, and I ate." (Gen 3:13b, Greek OT)

(The Lord) encircled/enclosed (Jacob) and educated him, and He watched him throughout as an eye-ball of an eye. (Deut 32:10b, Greek OT)

(The psalmist said to himself:) "The Lord will watch you from every/all bad." (Ps 121:7a, Greek OT)

(Solomon said: "The one whose) way is wholly straightened (is) an abomination to a lawless one." (Prov 29:27b, Greek OT)

(Judas wanted) the thing to lift the yoke from (Israel), because he beheld the kingdom of the Greeks making Israel entirely a slave (in) slavery. (1 Macc 8:18)

(Solomon said:) "Having become well-pleasing to God (the righteous one) was welcomed, and living between/meanwhile he was put in company with missers (of the mark of God)." (Wisdom of Solomon 4:10)

(Solomon said:) "How had - according to the circumstances - anyone stayed/abode throughout, if not You had wanted (it), or been kept throughout (if) not having been called by You? But You may spare all, because 'it is'/'they are' Yours, (You) Master (and) Friend of Soul/Life, for Your immortal spirit is in all." (Wisdom of Solomon 11:25-12:1)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Watch/'keep yourself' from evil and you may not put a shame to (anyone) 'on account'/'for the sake' of your soul." (Sir 4:20b)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said to the Lord:) "You saved me out of perdition and took me out for Yourself, out of an evil seasonable time." (Sir 51:11b or 51:12a)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples: "Pray in this way: 'Our Father,) give us the bread for the coming (day).'" (Matt 6:11)

(Jesus taught His disciples to pray in this way:) "Deliver us from the evil." (Matt 6:13b)

(Jesus said to His disciples: "From) every/everyone hearing the saying of the kingdom and not perceiving it, the evil one comes and rapes the thing having been (and being) sown in his heart. This is the one having been sown to the side of the way." (Matt 13:19)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Do not let the one upon the building descend to lift/'take away' the thing (א*)/property out of his habitation." (Matt 24:17)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "You will be 'being hated/hated by all because of My name, but the one having stayed behind 'into an'/'up to the' end, this one will be saved." (Mark 13:13)

The Lord spoke (א,*א,A): "Simon, Simon, behold, the adversary has demanded 'out you'/'your surrender' to sift (you) as the bread-stuff. I have 'been in need of'/'strived after' on account of you, in order that your faith may not 'leave out'/cease. And you, once having turned yourself next to (Me), 'set fast'/confirm your brothers." (Luke 22:31-32)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

(Jesus) (continually/repeatedly) said to (the Jews): "You are out of the things down. I am out of the things up. You are out of this adornment/'adorned world'. I am not out of this adornment/'adorned world'." (John 8:23)

Knowing that His hour had come in order that He might step over out of this adornment/'adorned world' towards the Father, having welcomed the own, the ones in the adornment/'adorned world', Jesus welcomed them into/'up to' (the) end. (John 13:1b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Because you are not out of the adornment/'adorned world' - however/certainly I chose you out of the adornment/'adorned world' - because of this the adornment/'adorned world' hates you." (John 15:19b)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 - about 1500

The place (of the followers of Jesus) is still in the world. It would be bad for them and disastrous for the world if they were taken out of the world. Moses and Elijah and Jonah all prayed that they be taken out of the world (Num. 11:15; 1 Kings 19:4; Jon. 4:3,8), but in no case was the request granted. The place for the people of God is in the world, though, of course, not of the world. The church has often sought to contract out, to become a kind of holy club. But this is not the prayer of the Master. Rather he prays that they would be kept from evil, or perhaps better, "from the evil one". (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 646)

The disciples, though not of the world, are in it (v.11). It is their vocation to stay in it. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 509)


about 1500 and time before

The death of Jesus means judgement of the prince of this world (12:31; 14:30; 16:11), but he is not deprived of the power to harm the disciples, if they are left without divine aid. Cf. Matt 6:13. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 510)

Let us stand aloof from the things of this life, that we may find grace and mercy in Christ Jesus our Lord ... and world without end. (Chrysostom, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers XIV:413)

Let us hate the error of the present time, that we may set our love on the world to come. (Epistle of Barnabas, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 138)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Elisabeth Beskow, Gordon Bridger, Yngve Brilioth, Gunnar Broman, Sven Danell, Miguel de Cervantes, Charles Dickens, Bob Dylan, Björne Erixon, Bo Frid, Erik Gustaf Geijer, Johannes Gossner, Carl Grimberg, Bertil Gärtner, Peter Halldorf, Bengt Hägglund, Bruce Kaye, Hans Larsson, Martin Luther, Gösta Nicklasson, Lewi Pethrus, Nicklas Piensoho, Harald Rasmussen, Johan Ludvig Runeberg, Johan Runius, Gösta Sandberg, John Stott, Jesper Svartvik, Kari Syreeni, Thomas a Kempis, Einar Thomassen, E.H. Thörnberg, Fredrik Wislöff.


Paul said to the believers in Thessalonica: "Faithful is the Lord, who will set you fast and watch (you) from the evil." (2 Thess 3:3)

James said: "A clean and undefiled worship by the side of God and the Father is ... to keep oneself unstained from the adornment/'adorned world'." (Jas 1:27)

I write to you, fathers, because you have gained (and gain) knowledge of 'the One'/Him from a beginning. I write to you, youths, because you have conquered (and conquer) the evil (thing) (א,* א). (1 John 2:13)

Do not wonder, brothers, if the adornment/'adorned world' hates you. (1 John 3:13)

You are out of God, little children, and you have conquered (and conquer) them, because the One in you is greater than the one in the adornment/'adorned world'. Themselves they are out of the adornment/'adorned world'. Because of this they talk 'out of'/'on the basis of' the adornment/'adorned world', and the adornment/'adorned world' hears them. (1 John 4:4-5)

We know that 'every the'/everyone having been (and being) begotten out of God does not miss (His mark), however/but that the one having been begotten out of God keeps/'takes care of' himself (א,* א), and the evil one does not touch him. We know that we are out of God and the whole adornment/'adorned world' lies in (the power of) the evil one. (1 John 5:18-19)


Additional studies:

Deut 6:22-24; Matt 5:37; 10:22; 24:9; Luke 6:22; John 1:13; 3:3-6; 15:18; Rom 16:20; 1 Cor 5:10; Eph 6:12; 1 Pet 5:8-9; 1 John 2:6,14; 3:6,12; 4:6; Rev 3:10.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:17-19 Make them holy in the truth. Your saying is truth. Entirely as You have dispatched Me away into the adornment/'adorned world', and/also I have dispatched them away into the adornment/'adorned world'. And I make Myself holy in favour of them, in order that they may be and/also they themselves being (and having been) made holy in truth.

Word for word: 17:17 (11 words in the Greek text) make-holy them in the truth. the saying the-(one) your truth is. 17:18 (12 words in the Greek text) entirely-as me (you)-dispatched-away into the adornment, and-i/I dispatched-away them into the adornment. 17:19 (12 words in the Greek text Sinaiticus) and in-favour-of them (i/I)-make-holy myself, in-order-that may-be and they-(themselves) being-(and-having-been)-made-holy in truth.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(God said to Abraham:) "Take your welcomed son Isaac, whom you have welcomed, and go into the high earth/land and carry him up there into a burnt offering." (Gen 22:2a, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to Moses:) "I will make the tent of the testimony and the sacrificial altar holy. And Aaron and his sons I will make holy to be priests to Me." (Ex 29:44, Greek OT)

(Moses said to Israel: "The Lord will) cause you to stand up (as) a holy people to Himself, 'which turn'/as He has sworn your fathers, if - according to the circumstances - you may listen to the voice of the Lord your God, and go in His ways." (Deut 28:9, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) " ... You are God, and Your sayings will be true." (2 Sam 7:28a, Greek OT)

(The psalmist said to the Lord:) "Your saying (Sinaiticus) (is) truth. ... A beginning of Your sayings (is) truth." (Ps 119:142b,160a, Greek OT)

(Jeremiah said:) "A saying of the Lord became/came towards me saying: ... 'Before the thing you come/came out, out of (the) womb I had made (and made) you holy, I had put (and put) you a prophet into nations.'" (Jer 1:4,5b, Greek OT)

The glory of the Lord was beheld and the cloud, as it was manifested on/'for the sake of' Moses, as it and/also was thought worthy to Solomon, in order that the place/sanctuary might greatly be entirely made holy. (2 Macc 2:8b)

(The Lord) made (Moses) holy in faith and meekness. He chose him out of every/all flesh. (Sir 45:4)


The Latter Revelation:

(The Pharisees) dispatch away their disciples, in company with the Herodians, to (Jesus) saying: "Teacher, we know that You are truthful and teach the way of God in truth." (Matt 22:16a)

(Jesus said to the scribes and the Pharisees:) "Foolish and blind ones, for which is greater, the gold (of the temple) or the temple, the one having made the gold holy, ... the gift or the sacrificial altar, the thing making the gift holy?" (Matt 23:17,19b)

(Jesus spoke to the eleven disciples): "Having gone * (א,* א, A) be/make disciples (of) all the nations." (Matt 28:19a; BG Ask-comment: Walter Bauer says in his Greek-English lexicon - p 485 - that the Greek word for "be or become a disciple" - as a transitive verb has the meaning of "make a disciple". Perhaps no translator has another meaning. But I am not sure that this is the johannine view. To be disciples in a company of all nations can cause the crowd of disciples to increase. Cf. John 17:21-23.)

(Jesus said to His disciples: "The Son of the Man came) to give His soul (as) a ransom instead of many." (Mark 10:45b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I dispatch you away as rams in a middle of wolves." (Luke 10:3b)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

God did not dispatch away the Son into the adornment/'adorned world', in order that He might judge the adornment/'adorned world', however/but in order that the adornment/'adorned world' might be saved through Him. (John 3:17)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "You are already clean because of the saying which I have talked (and talk) (with) you." (John 15:3)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "The words, which You have given (and give) (א,* א) Me, I have given (and give) to (the men whom You gave Me out of the adorned world). And they have themselves truly taken (them) * (א*), that I came out from the side of You. And they have believed, that You dispatched Me away." (John 17:8)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

The world is object of God's love, John 3:16, in the meaning that it by Jesus and his disciples will come to faith. (René Kieffer "Johannesevangeliet" p 399; translation from the Swedish text. BG Ask)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Ylva Eggehorn, Runar Eldebo, Johannes Gossner, T. Truvé.


My own comments and speculations:

Concerning "sent ... away into", see also John 3:16-18.

Paul said to the believers in Corinth: "(Christ Jesus) became to us from God ...holiness ..." (1 Cor 1:30b)

(Jesus) making holy and the ones being made holy (are) all out of one. (Heb 2:11a)

If we - according to the circumstances - may speak, that we have communion in company with Him, and we may walk about in the darkness, we lie and do not make/do the truth. But if we - according to the circumstances - may walk about in the light, as He is in the light, we have communion in company with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, makes us clean from every miss (of the mark of God). (1 John 1:6-7)

We know, that if - according to the circumstances - He may be made visible, we will be like Him, because we will behold Him entirely as He is. And 'every the'/everyone having this hope on Him purifies himself, entirely as that One is pure. (1 John 3:2b-3)

Little children, we may not welcome (with) saying and (א,*א) tongue however/but in/with work and truth. (1 John 3:18)

In this is the welcome of God (א,*א) , not that we welcomed (א,*א) God, however/but that He Himself welcomed us and has dispatched (and dispatches) (א,*א) away His Son (to be) a propitiation on account of our misses (of His mark). (1 John 4:10)


Additional studies:

Ex 13:2; 28:41; 29:27; 40:13; Lev 8:30; Deut 15:19; Matt 10:5,16; Mark 6:7; 14:24; Luke 9:2; 10:1; John 4:38; 8:32; 10:36; 15:13; 17:3,21,23,25; 20:21; 1 Cor 6:11; 11:24; 2 Cor 5:20; 7:14; Eph 5:2; Col 1:5; 1 Thess 4:7; Heb 10:10; 1 Pet 2:9; 1 John 2:2; 2 John v 1,3; 3 John v 1; Rev 1:1,6; 22:11.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:20 I do not ask on account of these only, however/but and/also on account of the ones through their saying believing into Me.

Word for word (17 words in the Greek text): Not on-account-of these but (i/I)-ask only, however and on-account-of the-(ones) believing through the saying their into me.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(Moses said to Israel:) "The Lord took/chose beforehand your fathers to welcome them and chose their seed in company with them, you to the side of all the nations 'according to'/'as it is' this day." (Deut 10:15, Greek OT)

(Moses said to Israel:) "Not (with) you alone/only I put this covenant asunder/'in order' and this vengeance, however/but and/also (with) the ones being here in company with us today opposite the Lord our God, and (with) the ones not being in company with us here today." (Deut 29:13-14 or 29:14-15, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to David:) "If - according to the circumstances - your sons may watch/keep My covenant and these My evidences, which I will teach them, their sons and/also will sit down upon your throne till the (coming) age." (Ps 132:12, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "I will give (My people) the other way and the other heart to fear Me all the days into/'for the purpose of' good to them and to their children in company with them." (Jer 32:39, Greek OT)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Happy the ones having beheld (Eliah) and the ones having (and being) fallen asleep in a welcome (א*), for we will and/also live (in) life." (Sir 48:11)


The Latter Revelation:

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Having gone * (א,* א, A) be/make disciples (of) all the nations, baptizing them/'the disciples' into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to keep all things as many as I have enjoined you." (Matt 28:19-20a; BG Ask-comment: Walter Bauer says in his Greek-English lexicon - p 485 - that the Greek word for "be or become a disciple" - as a transitive verb has the meaning of "make a disciple". Perhaps no translator has another meaning. But I am not sure that this is the johannine view. To be disciples in a company of all nations can cause the crowd of disciples to increase. Cf. John 17:21-23.)

(Peter said to the Jews:) "The promise is to you and to your children and to all those 'into far'/'far off', as many as our lord God - according to the circumstances - may call to." (Acts 2:39)

(The ones having received Peter's saying continually) 'were being patient'/adhered to the teaching of the apostles and the communion, to the fragmenting/breaking of the bread and the prayers. (Acts 2:42)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

(Jesus said to the Pharisees:) "However, I have and/also sheep, which is/are not out of this court. And/also those ones I must lead, and they may (א,* א, A) hear My voice, and it (P66,א*,A) will become one flock, one shepherd." (John 10:16)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "I ask on account of (My disciples). I do not ask on account of the adornment/'adorned world' however/but on account of the ones You have given (and give) Me, because they are to You. (John 17:9)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

We refer to that tradition, which originates from the apostles, (and) which is preserved by means of the successions of presbyters in the Churches. (Irenaeus, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 415)

It behoves us ... to adhere to those who, as I have already observed, do hold the doctrine of the apostles ... It behoves us to learn the truth, (namely,) from those who possess that succession of the Church which is from the apostles, and among whom exists that which is sound and blameless in conduct, as well as that which is unadulterated and incorrupt in speech. ... And they expound the Scriptures to us without danger, neither blaspheming God, nor dishonouring the patriarchs, nor despising the prophets. (Irenaeus, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 497-498)

Let us also pray for those who have fallen into any sin, that meekness and humility may be given to them, so that they may submit, not unto us, but to the will of God. (Clement of Rome to the Corinthians, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 20)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: E.J. Ekman, Viktor Johansson, Martin Luther, Thorsten Nunstedt, Niklas Piensoho, John Stott, Torsten Åhman.


Paul said to the believers in Rome: "How may they believe the One of whom they have not heard? But/and how will (א*) they hear, separate from one proclaiming?" (Rom 10:14b)

Paul said to Timothy: "Which/the things you have heard from the side of me through many witnesses, put these things by the side of faithful men, whoever will be fit to teach the others and/also." (2 Tim 2:2)


Additional studies:

John 20:29; Rom 10:17; 2 Cor 5:20; Heb 2:3; 1 Pet 1:8; Rev 7:9.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


(Original version 2007-12-01; revised version 2009-05-18; 2012-02-19; 2014-10-18)

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17:21-23 ... in order that they all may be one, entirely as You, Father, (is) in Me and I in You, in order that they and/also may be one (א,*א, A) in Us, in order that the adornment/'adorned world' may believe, that You have dispatched Me away. And I/'I for my part', the glory which You have given (and give) Me, I have given (א,*א, A) to them, in order that they may be one, entirely as We (are) one, I in them and You in Me, in order that they may be, be (and having been) made perfect into one. And (P66,א,*א) the adornment/'adorned world' may have knowledge, that You have dispatched Me away and have welcomed them, entirely as You have welcomed Me.

Word for word: 17:21 (27 words in the Greek text Sinaiticus) in-order-that all one may-be, entirely-as you, father, in me and-i/I in you, in-order-that and they in us one may-be, in-order-that the adornment may-believe, that you me have-dispatched-away. 17:22 (14 words in the Greek text) and-i/I the glory which (you)-have-given-(and-give) me (i/I)-gave them, in-order-that (they)-may-be one entirely-as we one. 17:23 (26 words in the Greek text) i/I in them and you in me, in-order-that (they)-may-be being-(and-having-been)-made-perfect into one, and may-have-knowledge the adornment that you me dispatched-away and welcomed them entirely-as me (you)-welcomed.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

("You shall not eat) from fruit of the wood (of the thing to know/'have knowledge' of fine and evil), which is in a middle of the 'place by the side of apprehension'/paradise," God spoke (to the male and the woman). "Do not eat from it, 'nor not'/nor touch it, in order that you may not die." (Gen 3:3, Greek OT)

(The men) spoke: "Come here,'we may'/'let us' build for ourselves a city and a tower, which head/top shall be till the heaven, and 'we may'/'let us' make a name for ourselves, before the 'thing to sow asunder'/'sowing asunder' upon the face of 'all the'/'the whole' earth." ... And/but the Lord sowed them asunder from (Confusion/Babel) against/'extending over' (the) face of 'every the'/'the whole' earth. (Gen 11:4,8a, Greek OT)

(Moses said to the Lord:) "If I so have found (and find) joybringing (grace) opposite You, make Yourself conspicuous to me. I may behold you in a known way in that way, oh - according to the circumstances - finding (and having found) joybringing (grace) opposite You, I and/also may have knowledge 'in order that'/that Your people (is) this great nation." ... (The Lord spoke towards Moses:) "You have found (and find) joybringing (grace) in the very eyes of Me, and I know you 'to the side of'/'in comparison with' all." And (Moses) says: "Show me Your glory." (Ex 33:13,17b-18, Greek OT)

Moses dispatched away (the twelve) to entirely contemplate the earth/land Canaan, and he spoke towards them: "... Behold the earth/land, what it is! ... What (is) the earth/land, if (it is) fat or 'being by the side of'/lean? If it is trees in it or not? Having 'been patient'/adhered to (it), take from the fruits of the earth/land." And the days (were) days of spring, forerunners of a grape/'bunch of grapes'. (Num 13:17a,18a,20 or 13:18a,19a,21, Greek OT)

It/there will be a leader in the one being (and having been) welcomed on leaders of peoples having been led together, tribes of Israel together. (Deut 33:5; Greek OT)

(Job said to the Lord:) "Indeed (my) ears formerly (continually) heard a hearsay of You, but now, now my eye has beheld (and beholds) You." (Job 42:5, Greek OT)

(David said:) "Into/'for the purpose of' a hearsay of an 'ear lobe'/ear (the people I had not knowledge of) hearkened me." (Ps 18:45, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "I will glorify (the one hoping for Me)." (Ps 91:15b, Greek OT)

The ones being in command together 'because of'/'with a view to' the Lord will turn away/back and arrive into Zion in company with cheerfulness. (Is 35:10a, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to His anointed:) "High/lofty males will step through/over against you, and they will be yours, and they will follow behind you being (and having been) bound (with) handcuffs They will come over in chains, and they will prostrate themselves before you (in honour of you), and they will pray in you, because God is in you, and they will speak: "It/there is not a god 'more than'/except You." (Is 45:14b, Greek OT)

Nations, hear the saying of the Lord and bring up a message into/to the islands (being) longer/'far away'. Speak: "The One having winnowed Israel will lead him together and watch him as the one tending his little flock." (Jer 31:10, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "I will give (My people) the other way and the other heart to fear Me all the days into/'for the purpose of' good to them and to their children in company with them." (Jer 32:39, Greek OT)

(The messenger said to Israel:) "This is what the Lord, (the) All-powerful, says: 'Behind a glory He has dispatched (and dispatches) me against the nations having spoilt you, for the reason that the one touching you touching as the eye-ball of His eye. 'For the reason that'/therefore behold, I carry My hand against, against them, and they shall be spoils for the ones being slaves to them. And you will gain knowledge for the reason that the Lord, (the) All-powerful has dispatched (and dispatches) Me.'" (Zech 2:8-9, Greek OT)

(Solomon said:) "A multitude of wise (ones is) a saving of an adornment/'adorned world' and a sensible king (is) a constancy of a popular assembly, so that you are educated (with) my words." (Wisdom of Solomon 6:24-25a)

(Solomon said:) "Having a way of subsistence/life together with God (wisdom) glorifies a noble descent. The Master of all things welcomed her." (Wisdom of Solomon 8:3)

(Solomon said:) "The adornment/'adorned world' is a champion of righteous ones." (Wisdom of Solomon 16:17b)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Do not wonder in/at the works of a misser (of the mark of God), but believe (in) the Lord." (Sir 11:21a)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "A wise male will educate the people of himself, and the fruits of his understanding (are) faithful. A wise male will be fulfilled of blessing, and all the ones beholding him will be called happy. ... The wise in/among his people will inherit faith, and his name will live into the (coming) age." (Sir 37:23-24,26)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Wisdom being (and having been) hidden and an unseen heap/treasure, what help (have you) in/with (these) both?" (Sir 41:14b)

(Jesus, the son of Sirach, said:) "Happy the ones having beheld (Eliah) and the ones having (and being) fallen asleep in a welcome (?*), for we will and/also live (in) life." (Sir 48:11)

(Baruch said to Jerusalem:) "Behold, your sons come ... having been (and being) led together ... (in) the word of the holy One rejoicing (in) the glory of God." (Baruch 4:37)


The Latter Revelation:

(John the Baptist said: "The One who comes behind me) ... will lead together His bread-stuff into the granary." (Matt 3:12a)

Behold, a voice out of the heavens saying (about Jesus): "This One is My welcomed Son, in/with whom I have been pleased." (Matt 3:17)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "You are the light of the adornment/'adorned world'. A city lying above a mountain is not able to be hidden/concealed, (is it)? Nor does (anyone) 'burn a lamp'/'have a lamp burning' and put it underneath the corn-measure however/but against the lampstand, and it shines to all the ones in the habitation. In this way let your light shine in front of the men in that way (that) they may behold your fine works and glorify your Father in the heavens." (Matt 5:14-16; BG Ask-kommentar: Observera "låt ert ljus lysa", inte "era ljus")

(Jesus said to the twelve:) "Every/everyone whoever will confess in/with Me in front of the men, I will and/also confess in/with him in front of My Father, the One (being) in * (P19, א,* א) heavens." (Matt 10:32)

(Jesus said to the Pharisees:) "Every kingdom having been divided into portions 'down from'/'at variance with' itself is desolated, and every city or habitation having been divided into portions 'down from'/'at variance with' itself will not stand." (Matt 12:25)

(Jesus said to the crowds:) "Out of the fruit 'it is had'/'one has' knowledge of the tree." (Matt 12:33b)

(Jesus said to some Pharisees: "Man/male and woman shall be) into/to one flesh, so that they are no longer two however/but one flesh." (Matt 19:5b-6a)

Having come out into the ways those slaves (of the king) led together all whom they found, both evil and good. And the bridechamber (א,* א, B*) was fulfilled with (the) ones lying up/'down to table'. (Matt 22:10)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Having gone * (א,* א, A) be/make disciples (of) all the nations, baptizing them/'the disciples' into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to keep all things as many as I have enjoined you." (Matt 28:19-20a; BG Ask-comment: Walter Bauer says in his Greek-English lexicon - p 485 - that the Greek word for "be or become a disciple" - as a transitive verb has the meaning of "make a disciple". Perhaps no translator has another meaning. But I am not sure that this is the johannine view. To be disciples in a company of all nations can cause the crowd of disciples to increase. Cf. John 17:21-23.)

The hearsay of (Jesus) * (א*) came out * (א*) into the whole district round about Galilee. (Mark 1:28)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "It will be from the now, (that) five in one house having been (and being) divided asunder, three on/'for the sake of' two and two on/'for the sake of' three, they will be divided asunder, a father on/'for the sake of' a son and a son on/'for the sake of' a father." (Luke 12:52-53a)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "If you so have not become faithful in/'by means of' the unrighteous mammon, will any one believe/entrust the true thing (by means of) you?" (Luke 16:11)

* (א*) Males (continually) were dwelling into/in Jerusalem, (males) standing in awe of (God) from every nation of the ones (being) underneath the heaven. ... (Everyone heard) the own language (be spoken). ... (Peter said:) "This is the thing having been (and being) spoken through the prophet Joel. 'And it will be/happen in the last days, God says: 'I will pour out from My spirit against every/'every kind of' flesh.'" (Acts 2:5,8,16-17a)

(The believers had) 'joybringing (grace)'/goodwill towards/'in regard to' the whole people. (Acts 2:47b)

The multitude of the ones having believed/'come to faith' (continually) were a heart and one soul. (Acts 4:32a)

The people (continually) made (the believers?, the apostles?) great, but rather/'all the more' the ones believing (continually) were 'put to'/added to the Lord. (Acts 5:13b-14a)

(The event) became known 'down from'/throughout the whole Joppa, and many believed against/towards the Lord. (Acts 9:42)

(The Athenians said about Paul:) "Some things being 'like a foreigner'/foreign he (א*) carries into, into our hearsays? We so wish to gain knowledge of what these things 'want to be'/are?" (Acts 17:20b)

(Paul said the males in Athen:) "In (God) we live and are stirred and are." (Acts 17:28a)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

They so spoke towards Him: "What may we make/do in order that we may work (for) the works of God?" Jesus answered and spoke to them: "This, it is the work of God, in order that you may believe into the One whom that One has dispatched away." (John 6:28-29)

(Jesus said:) "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)

Jesus was (continually) about to die in favour of the nation and not in favour of the nation only, however/but in order that He might lead together into one and/also the children of God, the ones being (and having been) scattered asunder. (John 11:51b-52)

A new commandment I give you, in order that you may welcome one another, entirely as I have welcomed you, in order that and/also you may welcome one another. In/'by means of' this all will gain knowledge that you are disciples to Me, if you - according to the circumstances - may have a welcome in company with (א,*א) one another. (John 13:34-35)

(Jesus said to Philip:) "Do you not believe that I (am) in the Father, and (that) the Father is in Me. The words which I talk (P66,א,*א,A) (with) you, I do not talk from Myself, but the Father, the One (א,*א,A) staying in Me, makes/does His works. Believe Me that I (am) in the Father, and the Father in Me." (John 14:10-11a)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Amen, amen, I say to you, the one believing into Me, that one will and/also make/do the works which I make/do, and greater works than these he will make/do, because I go towards the Father." (John 14:12)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Yet a small/little (while) and the adornment/'adorned world' no longer looks at Me. But you look at Me, because I live, and you will live (middle voice)/’with engagement’ (P66,א,*א,A). In that day you will gain knowledge, that I (am) in My Father and you in Me and I in you. The one having My commandments and keeping them, that one is the one welcoming Me. But the one welcoming Me will be welcomed by My Father. And I will welcome him and make Myself conspicuous to him." (John 14:19-21)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "The Father Himself is friends with you, because you have been (and are) friends with Me and have believed (and believe) that I came out from the side of God." (John 16:27)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "I glorified You upon the earth, having made perfect the work, which You have given (and give) Me, in order that I may make. And now glorify You Me, Father, by the side of Yourself (with) the glory, which I (continually) had by the side of You before the adornment/'adorned world' was by the side of You. ... (My disciples) have believed, that You dispatched Me away. ... Holy Father, keep them in Your name, in which You have given * (P66,א,*א) Me, in order that they may be one entirely as we." (John 17:4-5,8b,11b)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 - about 1500

When the people (in Ex 24:3) answered "in one voice," say the rabbis, at that moment those of low estate and those who were wealthy and powerful became one before God. (Michael E. Williams "Exodus-Joshua" p 99; Plaut p 595)

"that you loved them" Bernard ... interprets this to mean that the world will understand that God has loved it, but more likely it means that the world will understand that God has loved the Christian believers. The love of God for the world is mentioned only as a preparation for the incarnation of the Son in 3:16. (Raymond E. Brown "The Gospel according to John" p 771)

It is clear that John has little interest in the church as an institution, and, unlike Ignatius, he does not appeal for unity in institutional terms. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 512)

Wondrous it is, that Jesus, neither for these disciples or for their followers, prays that they shall become one, but be one, as he repeats three times in only two verses. . . . Between the ones of God born, the ones God knows as his, it is a real unity. . . . The essential thing is like, while the unessential thing can be very unlike. (Karl Palmberg "Ur livskällan. Första årgången." p 251-254; comment to John 17:18-23; Karl Palmberg /1842-1920/ was from 1883 a Lutheran clergyman in Månsarp in the diocese of Växjö and president in Jönköpings Missionsförening (Missionary Society) 1886-1911; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

The missionaries, who just were seen with ridicule, now are discovered by the great explorers everywhere in deserts and wastes, where they have founded oases of humanity and mercy, where the fleeced wanderer can rest his tired out head in peace, sure having met an honest man. The one wanting to know how Christianity works on an idol-worshipper should read "Ur en japans dagbok (Out of a diary of a Japanese)" or "Huru jag blef kristen (How I became a Christian)" by Kanso Utschimura. The ones preaching the glad heathenism can there see how shattered a polytheist lives in doubts and pains, thrown between the contradictory laws of the many gods, 80 millions gods. (August Strindberg "En blå bok I" p 227; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

Eliahu already had seen so many kind of men, but no such as these (gordonists in Jerusalem). . . . It was something of the magnificence and the authority over them, belonging to such ones being born to govern men. . . . It was such a joy and such a sound courage among them, that Eliahu many times said to himself: "Oh, that all travellers were as these!" (Selma Lagerlöf "Jerusalem II" p 262; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

I . . . have become atheist in the course of the years, when I have observed that the unknown powers left the world to its fate without giving signs of life. (August Strindberg "Inferno" p 8; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

What I, after having used studies i scientific methodology of many years' duration, with certainty can assure the youth I here see in front of me is, that no scientific discovery is made or ever can be made, which would constrain us for the sake of truth to give up our faith in the highest ideal, which the thought, the imagination and the feeling of man have created in collaboration, our faith in Him, who "lives in the light, where no one can come", "nevertheless he is not far from us, for in Him we live, move and have our being". And when this youth once hears of criteria of truth, of touchstones for the worth of the thoughts, so I want to lay it to heart, that such one - and also this of experimental kind - also exists for spiritual, for moral truths. Also these have a touchstone for its validity, namely in the effects, which arise if one follows or does not follow them. (Viktor Rydberg "Tal vid avslutningar i Djursholms samskola" p 169; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

I have sun myself in Your happiness Your love - I have seen in it how there can be something of the eternity here on earth - I have seen this and now - I believe - again" . . . God bless You, good men, on Your wedding day and always!" (August Strindberg "August Strindbergs brev I 1858-1876" p 223-224; letter 1875-08-17 to Mrs Siri von Essen and her husband the baron and captain at Svea Livgarde Carl Gustaf Wrangel; translation from the Swedish text: BG Ask)

If man is the present purpose of the Creation, the true final cause of it, as of every manifestation of the divine will, is summed up in the glorification of God. The divine glory thus appears as an ultimate goal which superposes itself upon the immediate aim of human finality. All men, good and bad, must contribute to the heightening of his splendour. (F. Wendel "Calvin" p 171; The Theological Doctrine of Calvin)


about 1500 and time before

Not the calumny of the wicked, but our good life, will draw (the) attention (of all who choose to be saved). For indeed no trumpet is so clear as the proof that is given by our actions. (Chrysostom, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers X:99)

A tenth part (in the city) is of rich, and a tenth of the poor that have nothing at all, and the rest of the middle sort. ... Nevertheless, although there are so many that are able to feed the hungry, many go to sleep in their hunger, not because those that have are not able with ease to succor them, but because of their great barbarity and inhumanity. ... Consider how many widows (the church) succors every day, how many virgins; for indeed the list of them hath already reached unto the number of three thousand. Together with these, she succors them that dwell in the prison, the sick in the caravansera, the healthy, those that are absent from their home, those that are maimed in their bodies, those that wait upon the altar; and with respect to food and raiment, them that casually come every day; and her substance is in no respect diminished. (Chrysostom, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers X:407)

A suitable giving of glory to God ... is given, not by words only, but much more by actions. For He saith, "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in Heaven." (Matt. v. 16.) (Chrysostom, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers XIV:46)

The gates of heaven open to (mercifulness) with great security: And as when a Queen is entering, no one of the guards stationed at the doors dares to inquire who she is, and whence, but all straightway receive her; so also indeed with mercifulness. For she is truly a queen indeed, making men like God. For (Jesus) says, "ye shall be merciful, as your Heavenly Father is merciful." (Luke 6:36) ... Nothing is so characteristic of a Christian, as mercy. There is nothing which both unbelievers and all men so admire, as when we are merciful. (Chrysostom, The Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers XIV:513)

As regard His greatness it is not possible to know God, for it is impossible that the Father can be measured; but as regards His love (for this it is which leads us to God by His Word), when we obey Him, we do always learn that there is so great a God, and that it is He who by Himself has established, and selected, and adorned, and contains all things; and among the all things, both ourselves and this our world. (Irenaeus, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 487)

Let us cleave to those to whom grace has been given by God. Let us clothe ourselves with concord and humility, ever exercising self-control, standing far off from all whispering and evil-speaking. ... It is written "Cleave to the holy, for those that cleave to them shall (themselves) be made holy." ... Let us cleave to the innocent and righteous, since these are the elect of God. (Clement of Rome to the Corinthians, The Ante-Nicene Fathers Vol I, p 13,17)

(Education in Israel) is imparted by influence and example, before it comes by teaching; it is acquired by what is seen and heard, before it is laboriously learned from books; its real object becomes instinctively felt, before its goal is consciously sought. (Alfred Edersheim "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah Part I" p 227)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: Stig Abrahamsson, Maria Adolfsson, Johan Ahlsten, Gottfrid Alenius, Arvid Almquist, Carl Jonas Love Almqvist, Valdemar Ammundsen, Jan Erik Anderbjörk, Karl-Erik Andersson, Åke Andrén, James Atkinson, Evert Axelsson, Per-Arne Axelsson, Leo Baeck, D.O. Belfrage, UllaBritt Berglund, Thorwald Bergquist, Erik Bernspång, Elisabeth Beskow, Oloph Bexell, H.J. Blackham, Carl Boberg, Lars-Ola Borglid, Gordon Bridger, John H.Y. Briggs, Yngve Brilioth, Sven-Erik Brodd, Ingmar Brohed, Gunnar Brundin, Joseph A. Burgess, Sune Carlson, Carl-Gustav Carlsson, Gösta Carshult, John M. Clark, Donald Coggan, Åke Dahlberg, Sven Danell, Henry Daniel-Rops, Stig Dominique, Thage Drewiz, Joni Eareckson, Johannes Edfelt, V. Raymond Edman, Ansgar Eeg-Olofsson, Ulf Ekman, Runar Eldebo, Olle Engström, Linné Eriksson, Sigfrid Estborn, Steve Estes, Hilding Fagerberg, Charles Finney, Erik Floderus, Lars Forssell, Karl Frandell, Rolf Fredriksson, Bo Frid, Karl Fries, Harley Kay Gallatin, Einar Genitz, Bo Giertz, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Gunnar Granberg, Paulos Mar Gregorius, Carl Grimberg, Berndt Gustafsson, Nath. Gustafsson, Lennart Gustavsson, S.E. Hagberg, Odd Hagen, Peter Halldorf, Lillemor Hallin, Michael Harper, Hermann Hartfeld, Enok Hedberg, John Hedlund, Simo Heininen, Jan-Arvid Hellström, Alf Henrikson, Eric Hertz, C.G. Hjelm, Hjalmar Holmquist, Anders Hultman, Julian Huxley, Fritz Hägg, Stig Hällzon, Linnea Hörlén, Anders Jarlert, Ingrid Johansson, Lennart Johansson, Viktor Johansson, Eyvind Johnson, Bernt Jonsson, Eskil Jonsson, M. Karlgren, Birgit Karlsson, Cecil Kerr, Christofer Klasson, Adolf Kloo, Ad. Kolmodin, Oscar Krook, Inge Kvarnström, Felix Körling, Lars Levi Laestadius, Annty Landherr, Hans Larsson, Olle Larsson, Harry Lenhammar, Sven Lidman, Sven Lindegård, Sigurd Lindgren, Hans Lindholm, Barbro Lindqvist, Karl Linge, Lars-Martin Lund, Ivar Lundgren, Karl-Erik Lundin, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King jr, Daniel Luyindu, Thore Lyreskog, John Magnusson, Emil Malm, Margareta Malmgren, Carl Henrik Martling, Gunnar Melkstam, Kerstin Midnäs, Vilhelm Moberg, Ingun Montgomery, D.L. Moody, Thomas More, Richard J. Mouw, Stephen Neill, Lesslie Newbigin, Petrus M. Nicander, Gösta Nicklasson, Fredrik Nielsen, Bertil Nilsson, Konrad Nilsson, Sten Nilsson, Torsten Nilsson, E. Norenius, J. Nyrén, Sigurd Ohlsson, Vibeke Olsson, John Ongman, Gunne Oscarsson, Thede Palm, Karl Palmberg, Efraim Palmqvist, C. René Padilla, Lewi Pethrus, M. Philippson, Niklas Piensoho, Bengt Pleijel, Efraim Rang, Joseph Ratzinger, Harald Rasmussen, Sven Reichman, Ragnwald Reinsjö, Einar Rimmerfors, Edvard Rohde, Carl Olof Rosenius, Samuel Rubensson, K.A. Rundbäck, Arne Rundqvist, A.F. Runstedt, Vinay Samuel, Elisabeth Sandlund, Henrik Schartau, Wodron Byron Scott, Bo Setterlind, William B. Silverman, Anders Sjöberg, Stanley Sjöberg, Harry Sjöman, Martin Sjöstrand, Anfin Skaaheim, A. Skevington Wood, Enock H. Skooglund, Erik Sollerman, Samuel Sollerman, Erik Sonesson, David Stavenheim, Milton Steinberg, Krister Stendahl, Lars Gösta Stensson, Rune Storck, Chris Sugden, Edgar Sundberg, Gun-Britt Sundström, Jesper Svartvik, Knut Svensson, Nathan Söderblom, Esaias Tegnér, Stig-Arne Tengmer, Einar Thomassen, Olof Thulin, Birger Thureson, Lennart Thörn, Stig Tornehed, Harry Tyndal, Karl-Erik Tysk, Josef Wahlgren, P. Waldenström, Åke Walfridsson, Johan Olof Wallin, Kallistos Ware, Torsten Wiberg, Ernst Wigforss, Jan-Erik Wikström, Stig Wikström, Carl Fr.Wislöff, J.M. Wislöff, Christopher Wright, Birgitta Yavari, Daniel Yung, Bertil Zachrisson, Göran Åberg, Elof Åkesson.


My own comments and speculations:

In times of old the sons of men were one. But God scattered them. Now - in a restoration perspective - Jesus gathers the scattered children of God that they may all be one.

The unification of the nations already occured - according to the text version "Sinaiticus prima manus" (Acts 2:5-17, observe particularly that the Greek word for "Jews" is not found in v 5) - at the first Whitsuntide after Jesus' death and resurrection. Compare Fredrik Nielsen ("Kyrkohistoria från reformationen till upplysningstidevarfvet" p 729) who says that Martin Luther (and on the whole also the other reformers) maintained that the gospel already had come to all nations. See also what Paul writes in Rom 10:17-18 and Col 1:23.

The touching in faith of the vine Jesus and the unity of the believers, the fruit of the vine, is of vital importance to receive eternal life. Cf. Gen 3:3. Cf. also with Rom 10:17 where Paul says that faith comes out of a hearsay, which in the context of John can mean that men hear that the Christians love one another. Can it also be found a possibility that men be seeing how the Christians love one another can come to faith? In that case, I suppose, this should connect to what Paul in Rom 2:14-15 says that men can have the law written in their hearts and then also the law about loving one another. Compare also with the quotation above from the book of Alfred Edersheim "The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah Part I" p 227.

Surely much can be won in an ecumenical respect when churches in different ways try to draw nearer one another, but after having got access to the Sinaiticus manuscript (version "prima manus") progress above all ought to be made if our churches let their eyes be opened for the well held together theological contents of the johannine writings in this version.


Paul said to the believers in Rome: "Consequently the faith (comes) out of a hearsay, but the hearsay through a word of Christ." (Rom 10:17)

Paul said to the believers in Corinth: "You (are) of Christ, and Christ (are) of God." (1 Cor 3:23)

Paul said to the believers in Corinth: "The one attaching oneself to the Lord is one spirit (with Him)." (1 Cor 6:17)

Paul said to the believers in Colossae: "Welcome ... is a united band of the completeness." (Col 3:14b)

Paul said to the believers in Thessalonia: "But we ask you, brothers, 'in favour of'/concerning the being by the side of our Lord Jesus Christ and our leading together against, against Him." (2 Thess 2:1)

Peter said to the believers: "Have your 'turning back'/behaviour fine in/among the nations, in order that in (this in) which they talk down/against you as (men) doing bad things, surveying (you) 'out of'/'in consequence of' the fine works they may glorify God in/on a day of visitation/inspection." (1 Pet 2:12)

Peter said to the believers: "(The males) will be gained through the 'turning back'/'mode of life' of the women without a saying." (1 Pet 3:1b)

What we have beheld (and behold) and have heard (and hear) we bring away a message and/also to you, in order that and/also you may have communion in company with us. And but/further (we have) our communion in company with the Father and in company with His Son, Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3)

No one has ever viewed (and views) God. If we - according to the circumstances - may welcome one another, God stays in us, and His welcome has been (and is) made perfect in us. (1 John 4:12)

We have gained (and gain) knowledge and we have believed/'confided in' (and believe/'confide in') the welcome which God has in us. God is welcome, and the one staying in the welcome stays in God, and God stays in him. (1 John 4:16)

We know, that the Son of God has arrived and has given (and gives) us a mind, 'in order'/so that we * (א,* א, A, B*) have knowledge of the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son, Jesus Christ. This One is the true God and agelong life. (1 John 5:20)


Additional studies:

Mark 12:6; Luke 20:13; John 1:14; 3:17,35; 5:20; 6:56; 10:36,38; 11:42; 13:35; 14:9; 17:3,18,23-25; 20:30-31; Rom 1:7; 5:5; 8:10,30; 10:9; 2 Cor 3:18; Gal 2:20; 3:28; Eph 1:6; 4:4; Phil 2:9; 2 Thess 2:16; 1 Pet 1:21; 2 Pet 1:4; 1 John 2:5; 3:24; 4:17-18; Rev 3:2,9; 17:13,17.


David Alan Black "Paul and Christian Unity: A Formal Analysis of Philippians 2:1-4"; Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 28.3 (1985): 299-308.

Anton Fridrichsen "Missionstanken i Fjärde evangeliet"; Svensk Exegetisk Årsbok 2 (1937): 137-148.

Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

Birger Olsson "Mission a la Lukas, Johannes och Petrus"; Svensk Exegetisk Årsbok 51 (1986): 180-191.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:24 Father, what You have given (and give) Me, I want (give) in order that whereat/where I am, and/also those may be in company with Me, in order that they may look at My glory, which You have given (and give) Me, because You welcomed Me before (the) foundation of an adornment/'adorned world'.

Word for word (28 words in the Greek text): Father, what (you)-have-given-(and-give) me, (i/I)-want in-order-that whereat (i/I)-am i/I and-those may-be in-company-with me, in-order-that (they)-may-look-at the glory the my, which (you)-have-given-(and-give) me because (you)-welcomed me before (a)-foundation (of)-(an)-adornment.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

The Lord spoke towards Moses: "... You have found (and find) joybringing (grace) in the very eyes of Me, and I know you 'to the side of'/'in comparison with' all." And (Moses) says: "Show me Your glory." (Ex 33:17-18, Greek OT)

David said to the Lord: "I will be fed in the thing to behold Your glory." (Ps 17:15b, Greek OT)

(The Lord said:) "Behold, my boy will be together (with Me), and he will be heightened and extremely glorified." (Is 52:13, Greek OT)

A leader of carpenters (reflects) the whole foundation (of a new house). (2 Macc 2:29a)


The Latter Revelation:

Behold, a voice out of the heavens saying (about Jesus): "This One is My welcomed Son, in/with whom I have been pleased." (Matt 3:17)

(The prophet said:) "I will open my mouth in/with parables. I will belch/speak the things having been (and being) hidden from a foundation of an adornment/'adorned world'." (Matt 13:35b)

When the Son of the Man - according to the circumstances - may come in His glory ... (He will say:) "Come here, the (men) having been (and being) blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom having been (and being) made ready for you from a foundation of an adornment/'adorned world'." (Matt 25:31a,34b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I put asunder/'in order' to you, entirely as My Father has put asunder/'in order' a kingdom to Me, in order that you may eat and drink upon/'with regard to' My table in My kingdom, and you will be seated upon thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:29-30)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

And we viewed His glory, a glory as of an only descendant from the side of a father, filled with joybringing (grace) and truth. (John 1:14b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I come again and I will take you towards Myself to the side of (Me), in order that whereat I am, you may and/also be." (John 14:3b)

(Jesus) said: "Father, the hour has come (and comes). Glorify Your Son, in order that the Son may glorify You, entirely as You have given Him (judicial) authority of every/all flesh, in order that every (nation?) which You have given (and give) Him, I may to it (א*) give agelong life." (John 17:1b-2)

(Jesus said:) "Now glorify You Me, Father, by the side of Yourself (with) the glory, which I (continually) had by the side of You before the adornment/'adorned world' was by the side of You." (John 17:5)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

Examples of quoted authors in the Swedish version: Viktor Rydberg, Gösta Sandberg, Kari Syreeni, Thomas a Kempis, Pontus Wikner, Birgitta Yavari.


Paul said to the believers in Ephesos: "(God) chose us in (our Lord Jesus Christ) before a foundation of an adornment/'adorned world' to in welcome be ... entirely holy and unblemished in the very eyes of Him." (Eph 1:4)

Welcomed, now we are children of God, and it has not yet been made visible, what we will be. We know, that if - according to the circumstances - He may be made visible, we will be like Him, because we will behold Him entirely as He is. (1 John 3:2)


Greek words:

katabolê (foundation) 2 Macc 2:29; Matt 13:35; 25:34; John 17:24; Eph 1:4 - Luke 11:50; Heb 4:3; 9:26; 11:11; 1 Pet 1:20; Rev 13:8; 17:8.


Additional studies:

Mark 12:6; Luke 20:13; John 3:35; 4:34; 5:30; 6:37-39; 8:58; 12:26; 17:2,6,22; Rom 8:17; 1 Thess 4:17; 2 Tim 2:11; Rev 1:6; 3:14,21; 15:8; 21:19-20.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.

C. Scouters "The People of God - Its Unity and Glory. A Discussion of John 17:7-24 in the Light of Patristic Thought"; Greek Orthodox Theological Review 30 (1985): 399-420.


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17:25-26 Righteous Father, the adornment/'adorned world' has and/namely not gained knowledge of You, but I have gained knowledge of You, and these have gained knowledge, that You have dispatched Me away. And I have given them knowledge of Your name, and I will give knowledge, in order that the welcome (with) which You have welcomed Me may be in them and I in them.

Word for word: 17:25 (19 words in the Greek text) Father righteous, and the adornment you not gained-knowledge-of, i/I but you gained-knowledge-of, and these gained-knowledge that you me dispatched-away. 17:26 (20 words in the Greek text) and (i/I)-have-given-knowledge-of (to)-them the name your and (i/I)-will-give-knowledge, in-order-that the welcome which (you)-welcomed me in them may-be and-i/I in them.


The Former Revelation (preliminary translation):

(God said to Abraham:) "Take your welcomed son Isaac, whom you have welcomed, and go into the high earth/land and carry him up there into a burnt offering." (Gen 22:2a, Greek OT)

Joseph '(was read)'/'gave knowledge upwards'/'made himself again known' (continually/repeatedly) to his brothers. ... (And) Joseph spoke towards his brothers: "I am Joseph." (Gen 45:1b,3a, Greek OT)

(The Lord said to Moses, the leader of Israel:) "I will dispatch you away towards Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and you shall lead/bring out My people, the sons of Israel, out of the earth/land of Egypt." ... The Lord came by the side of before the face (of Moses) and called: "The Lord God, compassionate and merciful, long-suffering and much merciful and true." (Ex 3:10b; 34:6, Greek OT)

(Moses said about the Lord:) "All His ways (are) judgments. A faithful God and He is not unrighteous. Righteous and pious/sacred (is) the Lord." (Deut 32:4b, Greek OT)

(Mordecai said:) "Righteous are You, Lord!" (Esther 4:17nb/C18b, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) "Let the ones having knowledge of Your name hope against You." (Ps 9:10a or 11a, Greek OT)

(David said to the Lord:) "I will describe Your name to my brothers; in a middle of an (assembly) of called out I will sing hymns to You." (Ps 22:22 or 22:23, Greek OT)

(The psalmist said:) "Righteous are You, Lord." (Ps 119:137a, Greek OT)

(Judith prayed to the Lord: "The Assyrians) had not knowledge that You are the Lord crushing/undoing wars. The Lord (is) Your name." (Judith 9:7b-8a)


The Latter Revelation:

Behold, a voice out of the heavens saying (about Jesus): "This One is My welcomed Son, in/with whom I have been pleased." (Matt 3:17)

(Jesus said:) "All things have been given to the side of Me by the (א*) Father, and no one has additional knowledge of the Son 'if not'/except the Father. Nor anyone has additional knowledge of the Father 'if not'/except the Son, and (the one) to whom the Son - if according to the circumstances - may wish to reveal." (Matt 11:27)

(The master of the house said to the idle ones:) "Which/what - if according to the circumstances - may be righteous, I will give you." (Matt 20:4b)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "I am in company with you all the days till the consummation of the age." (Matt 28:20b)

The Shepherds (continually) talked towards one another: "We may presently/'at once' come through till Bethlehem and we may behold this word, the one becoming (and having become), of which the Lord has given us knowledge." ... (And) they gave knowledge on account of the word which had been talked (with) them on account of this little Boy." (Luke 2:15b,17a)


The Apostle, the eighth and one of the seven:

Jesus so shouted in the sanctuary, teaching and saying: "You and/both know Me and know from where I am? And/but I have not come (and come) from Myself. However the One having sent Me is truthful (P66,א,*א), whom you do not know. But (P66,א,*א) I know Him, because I am from the side of Him, and that One has dispatced (and dispatches) (P66,א,*א) Me away." (John 7:28-29)

(Jesus said:) "I am the fine Shepherd and I have knowledge of the ones (being) Mine, and the ones (being) Mine have knowledge of Me, entirely as the Father has knowledge of Me, and I have knowledge of the Father." (John 10:14-15a)

(Jesus said to His disciples:) "Entirely as the Father has welcomed Me, and/also I have welcomed you. Stay in the welcome, (in) My (welcome)." (John 15:9)

(Jesus' disciples said to Him): "Now we know, that You know all things and have not need 'in order that'/that anyone may ask you. In/'by means of' this we believe, that You have come out from God." (John 16:30)

(Jesus said to His Father:) "I have made Your name visible to the men whom You gave Me out of the adornment/'adorned world'." (John 17:6a)


Exegetes, evangelists and others:

about 2000 and time before

The writer is describing the two groups that stand before the justice of the Father, namely, the world that did not know and the men who have come to know. (Raymond E. Brown "The Gospel according to John" p 773)

The church is not a côterie of Gnostics enjoying esoteric knowledge but a community of love. (C.K. Barrett "The Gospel according to St John" p 515)

(F.L.) Godet comments: "This saying of Jesus is that which leads us farthest into the divine depths. It shows Christian speculation on what path it must seek the solution of the relations of the Trinity; love is the key of this mystery." (Leon Morris "The Gospel according to John" p 652)


Examples of other quoted authors in the Swedish version: E.J. Ekman, Gösta Sandberg, Anfin Skaaheim.


My own comments and speculations:

Concerning "knowledge of (the Father)", see also John 10:14-15.


Paul said to the believers in Ephesos: "God ... being/is rich in mercy, because of His much/great welcome (with) which He has welcomed us." (Eph 2:4)

My little children, these things I write to you in order that you may not miss (the mark of God). And if - according to the circumstances - anyone may miss (the mark of God), we have One being called to the side of, towards the Father, Jesus Christ, (One being) righteous. (1 John 2:1)

If - according to the circumstances - you may know, that He is righteous, you have and/also knowledge, that 'every the'/everyone making/practising the righteousness is (and has been) begotten out of Him. (1 John 2:29)

Behold of what nature the Father has given (and gives) you a welcome, in order that you may be called children of God, (which) you and/also are. Because of this the adornment/'adorned world' has not knowledge of you (א*), , because it had not knowledge of Him. (1 John 3:1)

The one not welcoming has not gained knowledge of God, that God is a welcome. (1 John 4:8)

The perfect welcome throws the fear outside, because the fear has a chastisement, but the one fearing is not (and has not been) made perfect in the welcome. (1 John 4:18)


Additional studies:

Ps 7:11(12); 116:5; 145:17; Jer 12:1; Wisdom of Solomon 8:4; Mark 12:6; Luke 10:22; 20:13; John 3:17; 7:39; 8:55; 14:20; 15:21; 16:3,7; 17:3,8,11,18,21,23; Rom 3:26; 5:5; 8:9-10,39; 2 Cor 13:5; Gal 2:20; Eph 3:17; 2 Tim 4:8; 1 John 1:9; 2:14; 4:16; Rev 13:17-18; 16:5.


Herbert Giesbrecht "The Evangelist John's Conception of the Church as delineated in his Gospel"; The Evangelical Quarterly 58.2 (Apr.-June 1986): 101-109.


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